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Upgrade to Jessie went well. But now it doesn't suspend at all. laugher.gif

Fixed - need to boot with init=/bin/systemd . Wow systemd is super fast. Oh but wait. The system still hangs for a few minuites on reboot or shutdown with CIFS shares mounted.

Can someone explain why the network is not shutdown last?
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Could someone help me with getting systemd to unmount shares before the network is unloaded?

I'm using NetworkManager... default on Debian.

This is the sort of stuff that bugs me on Linux, now I hate to be an ass but a network share would never hang shutdown on Windows...
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And this is the point where you realise there's nothing wrong with the old init scripts because systemd causes more breakage tongue.gif
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And this is the point where you realise there's nothing wrong with the old init scripts because systemd causes more breakage tongue.gif

YEP. Although I had the same problem with the old initscripts lol.

Except systemd is a million times faster tongue.gif

So do you know how to make it work frown.gif

OK some quick tests and it appears to be because WiFi is disconnected literally as soon as gnome-shell runs its post session. This is WAY before the system even starts doing anything else during shutdown. This is so dumb. Why take the network down so early... it makes no sense.
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If you configure the network in a GUI network manager then the network it's being connected / disconnected in your X session. if you configure your network in a start up daemon then it will behave as you expect, but obviously you then have an issue if this device is portable and you want to connect to hotspots (though in those instances yourSMB mounts wouldn't be accessible anyway)

Fstab , and to a degree autofs too, aren't designed for roaming devices in much the same way that GUI network managers aren't designed for static systems with static network shares.

I will grant you this seems really counter intuitive to a Windows user, but that's just a facet of the different directions desktop and server Linux has gone.
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If you configure the network in a GUI network manager then the network it's being connected / disconnected in your X session. if you configure your network in a start up daemon then it will behave as you expect, but obviously you then have an issue if this device is portable and you want to connect to hotspots (though in those instances yourSMB mounts wouldn't be accessible anyway)

Fstab , and to a degree autofs too, aren't designed for roaming devices in much the same way that GUI network managers aren't designed for static systems with static network shares.

I will grant you this seems really counter intuitive to a Windows user, but that's just a facet of the different directions desktop and server Linux has gone.

Fair enough. Well it seems to work the same as Windows ... until you restart or shutdown (i.e. log off doesn't effect the network). I think its a poor decision to take the network down that early. Why should it follow the X session? Why can't the GUI just configure the network, and the kernel handles the rest?

Unfortunately network-manager doesn't implement pre-up or pre-down (just up and down) so I can't even do anything before it rips the network right out under me.

So that means CIFS mounts are never actually cleanly unmounted. How horrible. Oh well.

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Anyway the root issue (mounts hung after resume from sleep) still isn't fixed after updating to Jessie with the latest kernel. Its only a minute or two but ... meh. I'll get used to it. I like you Linux but you need to fix some weird ass crap before I'll take you seriously on my desktop smile.gif
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That's because your network daemon is a child of your desktop environment so will get killed off by X exiting.

To use if up / down (which, by the way, are depreciated on many systems) you'd need root access, which means you'd need to prompt for a password every time you'd connect to a network. Which is obviously less than ideal.

There's probably tools available that works around these issues, but I've never needed them so couldn't recommend any. Sorry.
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That's because your network daemon is a child of your desktop environment so will get killed off by X exiting.

IMO that's another poorly thought out design. The so called network daemon should be for configuration only. X exiting and killing the daemon should not take the network connection with it. Although there's probably some reason for it being that way but I still think its dumb tongue.gif

Why should you need a userland program running for network to be up? Why should network go down when that program exits? ... It doesn't sound right.
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To use if up / down (which, by the way, are depreciated on many systems) you'd need root access, which means you'd need to prompt for a password every time you'd connect to a network. Which is obviously less than ideal.

I meant some scripts called by NetworkManager. It only calls its dispatcher.d scripts when the network is up or down (and down doesn't even work half the time), not when its pre-up or pre-down.
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There's probably tools available that works around these issues, but I've never needed them so couldn't recommend any. Sorry.

Its OK smile.gif I could probably do my own thing as well but I can't be bothered lol.
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Actually it's a very well thought out design from a mainframe security perspective
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Replaced NetworkManager with wicd. IT WORKS. The network stays alive.

But guess what.

No IPv6 support in wicd.


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