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Lots of great advice here. I have decided to beef the RAM up to the max allotted value (16GB) and then let her play on it and give me feedback. I feel this is the best way to handle the situation.
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

You no longer need CUDA for photoshop (as of CS... 5 i think it is? maybe 4).

You also don't really need a real beefy GPU for the graphics acceleration, it is pretty mildly used.


What you DO want is a LOOOOT of fast ram and a dedicated small SSD to use as a scratch disk.

Can you elaborate on how to use a SSD as a scratch disk?
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Lots of great advice here. I have decided to beef the RAM up to the max allotted value (16GB) and then let her play on it and give me feedback. I feel this is the best way to handle the situation.

I think that's a good idea, who knows her integrated graphics might work fine for awhile.
the thing with system memory is she can still edit photos with 16gb just fine she just has to save the edited pictures sooner then later.
as I said in my earlier post with Corel Photo Shop Pro my 24 gigs only lets me edit 10 pics at a time before it warns me to save the 10
pics to my folder as my system memory can no longer hold them.
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A lot of recommendations in this thread without asking some important questions.

Like what CPU is the computer running. Photoshop is very CPU intensive and Lightroom (especially 5) is very CPU intensive and only uses the CPU, no GPU acceleration.

Does the individual use the features in CS4 that actually benefit from GPU acceleration? Its a pretty select set of features which not a lot of people use. Adding a more powerful GPU may not benefit at all.
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GPU features in Photoshop CS4 and CS5

Zoom enhancements. Smooth display at all zoom levels and temporary zoom. See Zoom continuously and Temporarily zoom an image.

Animated transitions for one-stop zoom. Press Ctrl+Plus Sign (Windows) or Command+Plus Sign to zoom, and the image animates slightly between zoom levels. The zoom can be subtle.

Flick-panning. Choose Edit > Preferences (Windows) or Photoshop > Preferences (Mac OS). In the General panel, select Enable Flick Panning. Then, select the Hand tool and click-flick the image, like a flick gesture on an iPhone. The image glides smoothly to the new position.

Rotate the canvas. See Use the Rotate View tool in Photoshop CS5 Help.

View nonsquare pixel images. See Adjust pixel aspect ratio in Photoshop CS5 Help.

Pixel grid. A pixel grid appears when zooming in more than 500% on an image. See Hide the pixel grid in Photoshop CS5 Help.

Adobe Color Engine (ACE). Color conversions are faster because the GPU handles the processing instead of the CPU.

Draw Brush tip cursors. Choose Edit > Preferences (Windows) or Photoshop > Preferences (Mac OS). In the Cursors panel, choose a Brush Preview color. Then, when you interactively adjust the size or hardness of the Brush tool, the preview color displays the change in real time. See Resize or change hardness of cursors by dragging in Photoshop CS5 Help.

3D Axis. See 3D Axis (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.

3D Lights. See 3D Lights settings (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.

3D acceleration
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Originally Posted by Jswerve View Post

Makes sense and I am sure she is using a very high resolution. I agree 100% integrated graphics never a good thing. What would be a solid card that won't be overkill?

I have run Photoshop, Lightroom and Photoshop Elements on intergrated graphics with no issues. This blanket statement is misleading.

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Originally Posted by Magical Eskimo View Post

If you're using photoshop then a nvidia gpu is what you want because adobe applications utilise CUDA cores.

Please check your facts, I would guess that some newer cards work also but they stop updating once a new version comes out
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/gpu-support-cs4.html
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Supported video cards

Adobe recommends DirectX 9.0 or later (on Windows) and Shader Model 3.0.* Display cards with 512 MB or better of VRAM and support for OpenGL 2.0.

If your video display card is not detected as a supported card, GPU effects and preferences aren't visible within the application. It is also recommended that you download and install the most recent drivers available from your video card manufacturer.

*Note: Adobe Photoshop CS4 and Adobe Bridge CS4 use OpenGL 2.0, rather than DirectX. For Photoshop-specific GPU documentation, see the "GPU acceleration in Adobe Photoshop CS4" section of this document.

Tested compatible video cards
Note: The graphics chipsets below are tested to function with Creative Suite 4. Individual applications can have a much larger list of cards that they have tested with.

Windows
NVIDIA

GeForce 6 Series

6800 Ultra


GeForce 7 Series

7800 GTX

GeForce 8 Series

8800 GT


GeForce 9 Series

9600GT, 9800 (single GPU variant one)


Quadro FX Series

1700

Midrange



Quadro FX Series

4600

High


Quadro FX Series

5600

Ultra high-end

AMD/ATI

Radeon X1000 Series

1900


Radeon HD2000 Series

HD2900 XT


Radeon HD3000 Series

HD3870 X2





FireGL V-Avivo Series

V5600

Midrange


FireGL V-Avivo Series

V7600

High

FireGL V-Avivo Series

V8650

Ultra high-end

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Originally Posted by jlhawn View Post

yes Lightroom 5 and 6 will be fine with any NVidia gpu if she plains on upgrading to 6 but I don't see
any reason yet as 5 is a good version.

Lightroom does not benefit from a GPU it can be run using onboard graphics assuming the chip can handle the display resolution. There is no GPU acceleration with Lightroom.

Also, lightroom 6 isn't even out yet, how can you make a recommendation about software that isn't even out?

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Originally Posted by Jswerve View Post

Can you elaborate on how to use a SSD as a scratch disk?

Please do some reasearch on this and make your own decisions on the benefits. With a good set of RAM and programs on a SSD I have not seen any data to support that a scratch disk aids in processing speed. Its gets thrown around a lot.
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Lots of great advice here. I have decided to beef the RAM up to the max allotted value (16GB) and then let her play on it and give me feedback. I feel this is the best way to handle the situation.

Since she seems to have slighly dated hardware and software please be sure her version of windows can support the amount of RAM you add.

The limits for each Windows OS version is listed here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx
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Originally Posted by jlhawn View Post

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as I said in my earlier post with Corel Photo Shop Pro my 24 gigs only lets me edit 10 pics at a time before it warns me to save the 10
pics to my folder as my system memory can no longer hold them.

Not familiar with Corel Photo Shop Pro but a few things to try.

1. Not sure if Corel Photo Shop Pro has a setting like lightroom but what % of your 24 GB does Corel Photo Shop Pro have access to? In Photoshop it can be limited.

2. Next time you get that warning pop open task manager (or similar) and see how much RAM is actually being used.
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Also, lightroom 6 isn't even out yet, how can you make a recommendation about software that isn't even out?
Please do some reasearch on this and make your own decisions on the benefits. With a good set of RAM and programs on a SSD I have not seen any data to support that a scratch disk aids in processing speed. Its gets thrown around a lot.[/quote]


I never said it was out yet, but I did go to Adobe.com and read up on Lightroom 6, it will be out end of this month as I said there is no need to upgrade to 6 as 5 is just fine..
and the op was the one wanting to install a new gpu, I just gave a suggestion.
so you don't need to come on here and try to make others look stupid, we can only go by
what the op is asking.
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so you don't need to come on here and try to make others look stupid, we can only go by
what the op is asking.

Not trying to make anyone look stupid. Im trying to provide advice to aid the op in making good decisions about what to buy. There was limited information provided by the OP and people were making recommendations for hardware purchases which may not benefit or may not even be supported.
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and the op was the one wanting to install a new gpu, I just gave a suggestion.
What the OP wants and what will actually benifit the end user can be different things. Gathering all the facts is important.
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I never said it was out yet, but I did go to Adobe.com and read up on Lightroom 6, it will be out end of this month as I said there is no need to upgrade to 6 as 5 is just fine..
Nice, care to share a link, I haven't seen anything yet stating new features, ect.
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I will post full system specs tomorrow. I am in the middle of working 120 hours in 11 days on graveyard lol. I appreciate all advice and don't mind a healthy debate. Thank you.
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Ok here are the system specs:

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Ok here are the system specs:

Windows 7 SP1 64bit
AMD Athlon II X2 265 3300mhz dual core proc
ATI Radeon 4250 Intergrated GPU
1TB Hd
4GB Mushkin DDR3

Just build her a new system if the budget can be stretched far enough. You pretty much need to replace everything in that list aside from perhaps the hard drive (but you would still need a SSD to go alongside it) and the OS.

Going with an entirely new system will be negligibly more expensive compared to the benefit of still having the current system operational. You know, for work/research/play when the new one is busy doing a 2 hour long render or just as a backup.
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