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First thing is unfortunately more questions. How much does she primarily use PS vs. Lightroom?

Also If you can ask her how she uses them. Basic adjustments or lots of cloning/brushes in lightroom and/or lots of layers in PS?

Finally what made her notice the slow down? Is it a gradual slow down and shes finally fed up with it or is was it an upgrade to LR5 or similar that made her notice? Or maybe a new camera?

A lot of people notice a slow down with a new camera due to file sizes increasing as MP counts go up.


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Windows 7 SP1 64bit
Which version? Home basic is limited to 8GB, Home premium 16 and then its basically unlimited.

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AMD Athlon II X2 265 3300mhz dual core proc
This is likely one of the biggest bottlenecks right now. Take a look at the benchmarks below and find a simlar CPU and then look at the modern ones, huge difference. The lightroom example doesn't really have anything close to that CPU but you can see the effect of a more powerful CPU.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-33-Adobe-Photoshop-CS-6,3169.html

http://www.behardware.com/articles/863-17/ivy-bridge-22nm-review-intel-core-i7-3770k-and-i5-3570k.html

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ATI Radeon 4250 Intergrated GPU
An updrade for this really depends on if she is using the features I quoted before that are accelerated in CS4 or if she plans to upgrade anytime soon to a newer version look up what is accelerated in those versions. If she does use some of them look up the benchmarks for how much is gained. If I remember correctly in CS6 there can be some gains made but the price/performance ratio for cards plateaus quickly. I am assuming the card can handle the monitor she has? A lot of photogs like to upgrade to some of these huge resolution IPS monitors and the onboard may not play nice, just something else to check.
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1TB Hd
Are we talking a 5400RPM drive, 7200RPM drive?

My testing with lightroom showed there wasn't alot of difference for import/export with a SSD/HDD 7200RPM. Unfortunately my only 5400RPM drive is partially corrupt so I don't want to use it for benchmarks as it may skew the results. Objectively a SSD does make things FEEL snappier but I haven't seen any data yet to support a real difference in processing/import/export.
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4GB Mushkin DDR3
A bit more RAM could defintaley help. Generally with my normal programs running for Music, internet and Lightroom/Photoshop running Im chewing up around 2 Gigs before I ever start editing. If you start doing a lot of cloning/brushes in lightroom or layers in photoshop your going to eat up that remaining 2GB quickly. Running both lightroom and photoshop at the same time (not uncommon) you really are cutting it thin.

Overall I think you really need to get a max budget she is willing to spend. We can reccomend stuff all day but if she doesn't want to spend cash it doesn't make since to recommend stuff she can't afford.

I was fed up with my laptops speed for photo editing awhile back and made a big updgrade and it was night and day. I actually did some benchmarks between the two awhile back and you can see that it cut the benchmark time by 1/3 and it went from waiting on things to everything happening in an instant.


Once you get to a certain point the return vs. cost really goes down. I did some benchmarks with lightroom awhile back and really although the graphs show big sweeping lines and you see 10 second differences its over 50 photos so that difference isn't really that big. However, getting on to modern hardware can really make a big improvement as shown going from my laptop to desktop. I wish I could find a way to benchmark lightroom for actual editing not just import/export but I haven't found a measurable method yet. There is a synthetic benchmark for photoshop that test a lot of parameters but I haven't seen data compiled to show how individual componenets effect performance (RAM, HDD). The only benchmark ive seen is for CPUs and GPUs and they are linked above.
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Excellent break down and backed up data to support it, thank you. It's hard to understand some things when you have no experience using that software. This helps a lot.

Her hardware is definitely subpar and I am thinking this pc would be a great candidate for her receptionist's replacement. She currently uses an older PC with the wonderful Windows Vista!

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I am looking for a solution for a friend that runs their own photography studio. They are complaining of the computer being slow when running Photoshop. The pc has an ASUS M5A88-M MB with Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 4250 GPU. It also has 1 stick of Mushkin 4GB PC3-10666 memory. I am not familiar with how system intensive Photoshop software can be as I have no experience with either but I do build pc's and would think that a better GPU would be required? Could someone enlighten me? Thanks.
Buy an iMac.
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Buy an iMac.

Oooo heathen! tongue.gif

I joke, in all honesty if you don't mind the price to not have to worry about upgrading or stuff like that then it is something to consider.
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unlock the cpu to a quad biggrin.gif
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unlock the cpu to a quad biggrin.gif

Huh?
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Huh?

Just ignore him.

For more clarification: some AMD products are actually higher end models that proved to be defective and had some of their features disabled on a firmware level in order to be stable at rated spec of a lower end model, and thus sold as such. For instance, a 2ghz quad core might not be able to run stable at the rated 2ghz, so they set it to 1.8 and sell it for a bit cheaper, or one of the 4 cores is too hot for the thermal rating, so they disable 2 of the cores and sell it as a dual core.

With the right motherboard and some fooling around, you can unlock the full (original) potential of the chip, restoring it back to a 2ghz quad core. This works well enough for gamers who can deal with a little instability if it means a substantial fps increase, but don't even think about it when your work depends on the stability of your hardware.

Besides, there is no guarantee that her chip has anything to even unlock, and even if it did, it would still be slow for photoshop.
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First thing is unfortunately more questions. How much does she primarily use PS vs. Lightroom?

Also If you can ask her how she uses them. Basic adjustments or lots of cloning/brushes in lightroom and/or lots of layers in PS?

Finally what made her notice the slow down? Is it a gradual slow down and shes finally fed up with it or is was it an upgrade to LR5 or similar that made her notice? Or maybe a new camera?

A lot of people notice a slow down with a new camera due to file sizes increasing as MP counts go up.


Which version? Home basic is limited to 8GB, Home premium 16 and then its basically unlimited.

This is likely one of the biggest bottlenecks right now. Take a look at the benchmarks below and find a simlar CPU and then look at the modern ones, huge difference. The lightroom example doesn't really have anything close to that CPU but you can see the effect of a more powerful CPU.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-33-Adobe-Photoshop-CS-6,3169.html





Overall I think you really need to get a max budget she is willing to spend. We can recommend stuff all day but if she doesn't want to spend cash it doesn't make since to recommend stuff she can't afford.

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Had a good chat with her today (been busy my Gramps passed)

The slowdown was not gradual is was immediately after she installed photoshop.

She is leaning toward about 75% Lightroom use vs. 25% Photoshop. She currently knows that with this hardware she can have about 1 photo at a time open in PS.

She also just got a new camera with a lot more resolution and has been taking pics raw to avoid over straining this computer while editing.

It was Home premium so I just ordered 16GB of ram. If that doesn't make her happy we are going to upgrade the processor. Any recommendations on which AMD AM3+ proc to go with?
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Had a good chat with her today (been busy my Gramps passed)

The slowdown was not gradual is was immediately after she installed photoshop.

She is leaning toward about 75% Lightroom use vs. 25% Photoshop. She currently knows that with this hardware she can have about 1 photo at a time open in PS.

She also just got a new camera with a lot more resolution and has been taking pics raw to avoid over straining this computer while editing.

It was Home premium so I just ordered 16GB of ram. If that doesn't make her happy we are going to upgrade the processor. Any recommendations on which AMD AM3+ proc to go with?

with her current motherboard i wouldn't recommend going any higher then the a FX-6350 do to the motherboard only having 4+1 phases and no heatsinks on the vrms
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with her current motherboard i wouldn't recommend going any higher then the a FX-6350 do to the motherboard only having 4+1 phases and no heatsinks on the vrms

Thanks for the recommendation. According to this benchmark in photoshop it that processor upgrade would do the particular process in about a 1/3rd of the time. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2013/-33-Adobe-Photoshop-CS-6,3169.html
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