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I've completely adopted micro USB, but I still think it is awful. It barely saves any space compared to mini USB, but is an order of magnitude more fragile and less wieldy. Mini USB was actually incredibly sturdy, and even in total darkness it was easy to tell which side was "up" just by feel.

To make micro even worse, the USB3 version of micro is a total monstrosity, entirely negating all the space savings, and still retaining all of its smaller cousin's issues plus some.



I honestly don't understand why USB does not adopt a symmetrical dual sided design. Apple has done it with their chargers, and third party modified full size USBs have been reversible for a while now. It isn't some new technology or even a new idea, and it would solve most of the the issues with USB in general. Without people trying to jam them in the wrong way, you reduce a lot of the user error related damages, never mind the frustration. It would also double the pin count for the same form factor, which would allow USB3 to be more similar to USB2 size.

The only other thing is that the actual shape and single sided, passive retention method of the micro USB connector make it very weak and finicky, and the tiny thickness of the metal housing doesn't help either. The last part can't be helped a whole lot if trying to keep the same size, but the rest is easily solvable.
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Ok people, stop with the microUSB breaks easy vs. apples connectors break easy.

I've never broken either.

As far as I'm concerned, any of them breaking is more than likely the users fault, not the connector being used. Stop blaming the connectors. They are small pieces of plastic and (maybe) metal. Use some common sense.
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Ok people, stop with the microUSB breaks easy vs. apples connectors break easy.

I've never broken either.

As far as I'm concerned, any of them breaking is more than likely the users fault, not the connector being used. Stop blaming the connectors. They are small pieces of plastic and (maybe) metal. Use some common sense.

Except the apple lightning connector IS stronger, and is more convenient to boot, and this is coming from someone with a disdain for apple and who hasn't owned an apple product in over 10 years.

Not that apple's connector is perfect either. It has its own issues. MicroUSB is just plain bad. Between the two, lightning is the lesser evil. Heck, I'd rather be on MiniUSB than Micro.


It isn't that I have too many issues with Micro either, personally. I've only ever had one of MY micro cables break, and even then it still works if held in the right position, and I'm not actually the one who broke it. I'm careful with my stuff, perhaps obsessively, but that doesn't mean that I can't see the flaws in something even if I am capable of using it myself.
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Ok people, stop with the microUSB breaks easy vs. apples connectors break easy.

I've never broken either.

As far as I'm concerned, any of them breaking is more than likely the users fault, not the connector being used. Stop blaming the connectors. They are small pieces of plastic and (maybe) metal. Use some common sense.

no its not a users fault, its a design fault. it could be designed more durable and abuse resistance. it doesnt change the fact that the connectors wear are too quickly.

if you havent broke one yet then good for you, ether way the point isnt apple connectors vs microUSB but rather fragile connectors in general and the fact is microUSB connectors are fragile.
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no its not a users fault, its a design fault. it could be designed more durable and abuse resistance. it doesnt change the fact that the connectors wear are too quickly.

if you havent broke one yet then good for you, ether way the point isnt apple connectors vs microUSB but rather fragile connectors in general and the fact is microUSB connectors are fragile.

Micro.

Don't expect things that are micro to also be extremely durable. Guess what else is fragile ? Your touchscreen phone thats mostly glass. And holy **** if I had a dollar for every time someone told they broke their phone.

I still think it's the users fault in most situations. Sure, something could be faulty. Yes wear and tear happens. But let's think for a second how people typically handle phone chargers. I think it's safe to say most people don't give taking care of their phone charger/cable a second thought, until they break it.

If you know it's fragile, take more care when using it.
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Except the apple lightning connector IS stronger, and is more convenient to boot, and this is coming from someone with a disdain for apple and who hasn't owned an apple product in over 10 years.

Not that apple's connector is perfect either. It has its own issues. MicroUSB is just plain bad. Between the two, lightning is the lesser evil. Heck, I'd rather be on MiniUSB than Micro.


It isn't that I have too many issues with Micro either, personally. I've only ever had one of MY micro cables break, and even then it still works if held in the right position, and I'm not actually the one who broke it. I'm careful with my stuff, perhaps obsessively, but that doesn't mean that I can't see the flaws in something even if I am capable of using it myself.

I'm sure the lightning connector is. I was more so referencing the 30 pin connector.

I'm not saying micro USB doesn't have flaws. I'm saying it's more user error than faulty design.
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Micro.

Don't expect things that are micro to also be extremely durable.

Except it's really not that much smaller than MiniUSB which is MUCH stronger.
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I'm not saying micro USB doesn't have flaws. I'm saying it's more user error than faulty design.

No. It really is more because of bad design than anything else.

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Guess what else is fragile ? Your touchscreen phone thats mostly glass. And holy **** if I had a dollar for every time someone told they broke their phone.

Last I remember seeing any drop tests, most glass iPhones survived longer than their plastic counterparts. Maybe not much longer, but in the case of Glass vs Plastic screens, I'd take glass any day at the current durability of plastic screens.
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If you know it's fragile, take more care when using it.

Or you know, we can not stagnate data/power connectors innovation and allow stronger and more user friendly connectors to catch on.
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I'm sure the lightning connector is. I was more so referencing the 30 pin connector.

Still using my original 30 pin cables from 2004 with no problem. And to be honest, the only reason I've unwrapped my newer cables is purely to have a charger in every room. But If all I had were my old ones, I'd still be just fine.
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Micro.

Don't expect things that are micro to also be extremely durable. Guess what else is fragile ? Your touchscreen phone thats mostly glass. And holy **** if I had a dollar for every time someone told they broke their phone.

I still think it's the users fault in most situations. Sure, something could be faulty. Yes wear and tear happens. But let's think for a second how people typically handle phone chargers. I think it's safe to say most people don't give taking care of their phone charger/cable a second thought, until they break it.

If you know it's fragile, take more care when using it.
I'm sure the lightning connector is. I was more so referencing the 30 pin connector.

I'm not saying micro USB doesn't have flaws. I'm saying it's more user error than faulty design.

Well yeah, but you could say the same thing if you made the connector out of cardstock and penciled in graphite traces.

At the end of the day, a poorly designed connector is a poorly designed connector.
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Micro.

Don't expect things that are micro to also be extremely durable. Guess what else is fragile ? Your touchscreen phone thats mostly glass. And holy **** if I had a dollar for every time someone told they broke their phone.

I still think it's the users fault in most situations. Sure, something could be faulty. Yes wear and tear happens. But let's think for a second how people typically handle phone chargers. I think it's safe to say most people don't give taking care of their phone charger/cable a second thought, until they break it.

If you know it's fragile, take more care when using it.
I'm sure the lightning connector is. I was more so referencing the 30 pin connector.

I'm not saying micro USB doesn't have flaws. I'm saying it's more user error than faulty design.

well DONT MAKE IT MICRO, easy enough

glass is much tougher then that and besides im sure i've repeatedly mentioned its not the charger that breaks but the plug on the phone and i baby my phone but no matter the amount of care it will not prevent a poor plug design from breaking or wear.

its 100% design flaw more to the point its design flaw in securing the plug itself. surely relying on just the 5 tiny pins + 2 ground pins isnt enough to secure the plug that has a cable attached to it that is subjected to external movement not to mention forces are subjected to such a small area. 30pin connectors distribute the forces over a much wider area and like i said my 30pin apple connector from 2003 still works today with the same ipod that is still running flawlessly other then battery.

find a way to properly mechanically secure it rather then relying on a few blobs of solder would make the connector miles better. magsafe charging plugs are miles ahead of any other charging design as it doesnt apply mechanical stress on the plug

me praising apple designs is considered a big deal and high praise considering how much i loath apple and their practices
Edited by akromatic - 3/17/14 at 6:20pm
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I dont know what people do to call the micro USB plugs fragile....
I am still using my charger from my samsung galaxy ace as a charger for my galaxy s4....I dont even use the boxed charger that came with the s4..

But on the other hand my partner has gone through 5 LB iphone charger cables woth the same issue..

The cable weakened and broke at the base of the plug..
Out of the 5 cables 3 where apple branded and the other 2 where Belkin cables...
I use the cable that I got with my Nokia 6500-S daily, same goes for the sleek black one that came with the HTC Legend,and it wasn't until a few months ago that I actually opened the package for my HTC One X to bring out an extra cable (friend visited).
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About micro vs mini USB. They are about the same size, however, mini is somewhat thicker (which ofc makes it probably a bit stronger mechanically). Should not be issue unless they are wanting to use the port on device that is thinner than say, about 7 mm. Then again using micro will gain you only few mm and I doubt that a smartphone that is going to be thinner than 7 mm is going to appear in very near future as I do not believe so thin smartphone would be comfortable to hold. So mini USB would be just as fine standard in my opinion as micro USB. Jusst as long as most devices would use one of them. Atm my stuff has mixed mini and micro USB ports. External battery packs, GPS doncgles, Hard drives, etc seem to be preferring to use mini USB most of the time while tablets and phones seem to be preferring to use micro USB.

I tried to standardize my cable management a little while ago but for above mentioned reason I have atm mix of the mini and micro USB cables. There is relatively cheap piece though one can get from China for about a dollar / piece that can convert mini-usb to micro usb which I also have some, but it's inconvenient to use these and adapter is not usable in all conditions anyway, for example, with my mouse (which uses reinforced micro USB - reinforcement is plastic thing around it that goes into some rails on mouse side, mouse is Logitech G700).

From some of the ideas bounced around in here I like the most, actually, the idea of using Apple Lighting port which is actually just a Mini Displayport with fancy name, as far as I understand. It's current draw is rather limited though, 3.3 V and very small number of mA if I remember correct which is used in some active adapters for power. Problem with that is that mDP is not as widespread as USB, especially if you would have to augment the standard to add reasonable power draw option over the mDP somehow. Ideally the "universal charging port" should support, in my opinion, up to 25W load to be really useful for most household gadgets (routers, wifi cans, external HDD's, tablets, phones etc.). Currently over USB you are limited to approx 2.5 W if you stay within standard although it is relatively common nowadays to go as far as 10W exceeding the standard rated value 400% - which can but does not always work. For example on most motherboards protection circuitry for USB kicks in if you go above 1A.
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