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i'm more in favor of a universal wireless/induction charging solution rather then screwing around with ports

for starters there is no ports to break or to have dust/water ingress and secondly it doesnt matter what proprietary bits are behind it as long as the wireless interfacing bit is compatible

then again why not use a connector similar to the headphone jack, its commonly found on most portable devices and certainly no phone would be thinner then it (thank god for that, i hate these thin pieces of crap) , its unidirectional, power can be transmitted through it (like the ipod shuffle) and these plugs are proven and far more durable then the USB(and yes it has 4 pins similar to USB where data can transfer through it ala ipod shuffle)
Edited by akromatic - 3/18/14 at 2:58am
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i'm more in favor of a universal wireless/induction charging solution rather then screwing around with ports

for starters there is no ports to break or to have dust/water ingress and secondly it doesnt matter what proprietary bits are behind it as long as the wireless interfacing bit is compatible

then again why not use a connector similar to the headphone jack, its commonly found on most portable devices and certainly no phone would be thinner then it (thank god for that, i hate these thin pieces of crap) , its unidirectional, power can be transmitted through it (like the ipod shuffle) and these plugs are proven and far more durable then the USB(and yes it has 4 pins similar to USB where data can transfer through it ala ipod shuffle)

That is actually pretty good idea. I mean just using the headphone jack itself allowing charging through it. That jack should be able to take ~25W draw without any major problems as long as the wiring is sufficient and most devices have one. All it would take would be figuring out some-kind of standard for transferring current though it in sufficient quantities.
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i'm more in favor of a universal wireless/induction charging solution rather then screwing around with ports

for starters there is no ports to break or to have dust/water ingress and secondly it doesnt matter what proprietary bits are behind it as long as the wireless interfacing bit is compatible

then again why not use a connector similar to the headphone jack, its commonly found on most portable devices and certainly no phone would be thinner then it (thank god for that, i hate these thin pieces of crap) , its unidirectional, power can be transmitted through it (like the ipod shuffle) and these plugs are proven and far more durable then the USB(and yes it has 4 pins similar to USB where data can transfer through it ala ipod shuffle)

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That is actually pretty good idea. I mean just using the headphone jack itself allowing charging through it. That jack should be able to take ~25W draw without any major problems as long as the wiring is sufficient and most devices have one. All it would take would be figuring out some-kind of standard for transferring current though it in sufficient quantities.

Some devices do this, but I don't like it. The mini TRS jack isn't actually all that durable with repeated connections/disconnections, and it would prevent a user from charging a device and also listening to audio. You also can't use that port for efficient data transfer, so you would still need another port for that. You would also inevitably have some fools making pass through adapters to charge and listen to audio at the same time, resulting in blown up headphones at the best, and electrocution and phone destruction at the worst.

Coupling data transfer with power makes sense. Power and data can be transferred in parallel through the same port without any issues. That is why most modern devices do it this way. That part doesn't need to change. The micro USB itself is just a bad port design.
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i only mentioned to make a similar jack to the audio jack, one that is designed from ground up to be a data/power jack over USB standard and unidirectional.

at the same i dont i mind a phone with no ports at all and is totally sealed against everything, IP68 perhaps. wireless charging, data over wifi and audio over bluetooth
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i only mentioned to make a similar jack to the audio jack, one that is designed from ground up to be a data/power jack over USB standard and unidirectional.

at the same i dont i mind a phone with no ports at all and is totally sealed against everything, IP68 perhaps. wireless charging, data over wifi and audio over bluetooth

I'd never use it. bluetooth audio is horrible and inductive charging is slow and inefficient.

Neat idea though. Would probably work great for the general user base.
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Everything should be regulated. No choice should exist. There must be standards....ON EVERYTHING!!! Any annoyance, by any group of people, should immediately be handled by a bureaucratic body that decides for us. Government is the only solution!!! DIE innovation, free thought, choice or any other individuality; DIE!!!!


A bit over the top, but I'm guessing you get where my stand is on this.
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I'd never use it. bluetooth audio is horrible and inductive charging is slow and inefficient.

Neat idea though. Would probably work great for the general user base.

i kinda value IP ratings and overall durability over audio quality of BT
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Everything should be regulated. No choice should exist. There must be standards....ON EVERYTHING!!! Any annoyance, by any group of people, should immediately be handled by a bureaucratic body that decides for us. Government is the only solution!!! DIE innovation, free thought, choice or any other individuality; DIE!!!!


A bit over the top, but I'm guessing you get where my stand is on this.

Standards are good thing. However, like everything in life you need to have some kind of balance of things.

Without any kind of standards we would be back in pre-industrial era where every craftsman makes his own bolts and if he dies then tough luck. By the same token allowing only and only M10 bolts to be manufactured is inconvenient and ineffective as well.

Given the present context (using micro-USB as universal charging port of smartphones) I can't figure out how you get to the "No choice should exist." - nothing is preventing any company from using some better charging standard, even if its proprietary as long as the device can be charged through micro-USB standard as well, which can be achieved by 20-cent cheap adapter going into whatever hole the device has for charging, or if it's lacking holes then into the inductive charging station base or whatever. By the same logic I fail to see how will this prevent innovation from happening.

I mean USB is already standard. That has not prevented some new interfaces from emerging, take, for example, mini display-port. Same way as having VGA, DVI as standards have not prevented the emergence of HDMI and DP or having AGP has not prevented switch to PCI-express.
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Standards are good thing. However, like everything in life you need to have some kind of balance of things.

Without any kind of standards we would be back in pre-industrial era where every craftsman makes his own bolts and if he dies then tough luck. By the same token allowing only and only M10 bolts to be manufactured is inconvenient and ineffective as well.

Given the present context (using micro-USB as universal charging port of smartphones) I can't figure out how you get to the "No choice should exist." - nothing is preventing any company from using some better charging standard, even if its proprietary as long as the device can be charged through micro-USB standard as well, which can be achieved by 20-cent cheap adapter going into whatever hole the device has for charging, or if it's lacking holes then into the inductive charging station base or whatever. By the same logic I fail to see how will this prevent innovation from happening.

I mean USB is already standard. That has not prevented some new interfaces from emerging, take, for example, mini display-port. Same way as having VGA, DVI as standards have not prevented the emergence of HDMI and DP or having AGP has not prevented switch to PCI-express.

I don't disagree. But USB, a great standard, is an industry standard, not a government one. My derision, for this story, lies there.
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industry standard > government standard

i rather the guys who know their stuff making standards then a bunch of bureaucrats who know nothing enforcing a dumb standard
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