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Hi guys,

first of all let me tell you I'm for the first time dealing with water cooling so, please, don't hit too hard biggrin.gif

The first problem I'm dealing with is...I cannot control my fans through the Aquaero 6 Pro I bought.

Let me give you a bit of insight. Currently I have the following config:

1) In-take: 2 frontal 120 mm fans (A) + 3 120 mm bottom rear fans (B)
2) Exhaust: 1 back 120 mm fan (C) + 3 120 mm bottom front fans (PWM mounted on 360 XSPC rad, D) + 3 120 mm top fans (mounted on 360 XSPC rad, E).

As you can see just D are PWM fans.

Fans are connected (by means of ASAKA splitters) as it follows to the Aquaero:

  1. A + B - Connector 1 on the Aquaero
  2. C + E - Connector 2 on the Aquaero
  3. D - Connector 3 on the Aquaero

All the fans are Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition.

Now....after 1.000 experiments....why can I control just the PWN fans?

I thought it was becasuse the Aquaero and the fans on the first and second connector weren't on the same power line...so I connected everything to just one line coming out from the Power Supply...but no happy ending...drool.gif

I duly checked that in aquasuite I'm using the "power controlled" option for these fans while I'm using "PWM" for the set "D".

Can anyone help please?

Getting frustrated! mad.gif
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Originally Posted by Hooch31280 View Post

Hi guys,

first of all let me tell you I'm for the first time dealing with water cooling so, please, don't hit too hard biggrin.gif

The first problem I'm dealing with is...I cannot control my fans through the Aquaero 6 Pro I bought.

~snip~

@Mega Man has a much better handle on this stuff than I, but I'll try! I'm controlling Corsair SP's with my AQ5LT. The user interface on the Aquasuite program is a bit less than user friendly as it kind of presumes you know what you're doing - I mean I program software and it took me a while to figure it out too. There used to be a nice write up on setting this stuff up but the site went MIA >.<<br />
You should be able to have your fans plugged in the way you did the first time (each bank on different AQ fan headers). But, I think in order for anyone to help we need to know what you're trying to control the fans based on... like... I have a virtual hard-drive temp sensor (via ADIA64 software) controlling the fan in my second HTPC case. ( I had a second virtual temp sensor controlling the fan on my CPU, and a third controlling the push/pull fans on my GPU test loop with a fourth controlling a pump at one point, but I didn't set all that back up last time I pulled everything apart heh - I'm still working on my water cooling loops.)

Anyway, so for my setup, on my sensors page:



In the bottom tab you can see I've got two software sensors set up, one for my HD temp and one for my GPU. I've got "Software sensor 3" selected there so you can see the default, at the bottom there's a little check box to get the software fed temps. As I noted I've got AIDA64 so I've opened that up:



So I select my CPU and that creates a virtual temp sensor, now reflected in Aquasuite here:



*As a note you can also set up "blended" temps through the virtual temps there - like I could combine the temps for 3 of my hard drives (putting them in on the right side) into a single average temp and use that to control my bottom case fan in the next step ( I used to have that set up, but I switched stuff around in my bottom case so I only have one HD that gets warm. )

Next I go to the "Fans" tab in Aquasuite. There's four fans listed at the top, corresponding to the AQ fan plugs 1-4. I only have connector 4 plugged in on the AQ5 at the moment so that's the only one I have a reading on, but you should have fan 1, 2, and 3 plugged in on yours. Also, you can name the fans in the 2015 Aquasuite version which is /really/ helpful.

Anyway, lets hypothetically presume that I'm plugging the CPU fan into Fan 1 on the AQ5 here. So I click on Fan1, name it CPU, and set it up. I also use the "Advanced Settings" part here since it's my CPU fan and I'm using a software based temp reading that won't kick in until my system boots so I want/need to turn on the "Start Boost" feature - I've got an SSD so my boot time is almost instant so I can set it for "Duration" 3 seconds - now the AQ will turn the CPU fan on at 50% power for 3s when I boot up. I'm also using the "Power Controlled" method because my CPU fan is one of the non-pwm Corsair's:




Now I go over to the "Controllers" tab and add (button they hid in the upper right of the screen heh) I want a "curve" controller so I click that and set up my controller thusly (bottom one):



A few things here; on the left side I have to pick my "Data Source," in my case the virtual CPU temp I set up, on the right side I have to pick the "Outputs," in my case the Fan on Fan 1 (which I renamed CPU Fan), finally I have to set up my controller curve in the middle (the second controller in the pic there); I've opened up the "Automatic" bit and put in my min and max temps, then use the slider to adjust the curve, as it's my CPU fan I don't want much temp variance so I put in 30-40 degrees ( my CPU currently has a passive heat sink from SilverStone on it that keeps my FX8350 4.0 at 23c when idle so I don't need my fan to come on unless I'm gaming, which is why my curve is so short.) -- Above the theoretical CPU controller, you can see the controller I use for my hard drives in the bottom HTPC case, I've got a wider temp range on that and a more gradual curve. Then you just have to save your settings to the AQ unit (disc icon on the left by the AQ5LT header).

That's the gist of setting up the fan controllers using software / virtual temps, you can also set up AQ controllers using the 2pin temp sensors plugged directly into the AQ unit (both the water temp and external sensor types, which I plan to do for my bottom case, but I've not actually plugged the external types in yet.) Also the Aquasuite software can do /way/ more fine tuned fan control than the basic stuff I've exampled (and what I've currently got set up on my rig) - when I had my test loop on it I had all the bells and whistles hooked up.



Anyway, so what are you trying to control your fans based on?
Edited by Mystriss - 11/9/15 at 2:18pm
post #5994 of 11174
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Originally Posted by Hooch31280 View Post

Hi guys,

first of all let me tell you I'm for the first time dealing with water cooling so, please, don't hit too hard biggrin.gif

The first problem I'm dealing with is...I cannot control my fans through the Aquaero 6 Pro I bought.

Let me give you a bit of insight. Currently I have the following config:

1) In-take: 2 frontal 120 mm fans (A) + 3 120 mm bottom rear fans (B)
2) Exhaust: 1 back 120 mm fan (C) + 3 120 mm bottom front fans (PWM mounted on 360 XSPC rad, D) + 3 120 mm top fans (mounted on 360 XSPC rad, E).

As you can see just D are PWM fans.

Fans are connected (by means of ASAKA splitters) as it follows to the Aquaero:

  1. A + B - Connector 1 on the Aquaero
  2. C + E - Connector 2 on the Aquaero
  3. D - Connector 3 on the Aquaero

All the fans are Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition.

Now....after 1.000 experiments....why can I control just the PWN fans?

I thought it was becasuse the Aquaero and the fans on the first and second connector weren't on the same power line...so I connected everything to just one line coming out from the Power Supply...but no happy ending...drool.gif

I duly checked that in aquasuite I'm using the "power controlled" option for these fans while I'm using "PWM" for the set "D".

Can anyone help please?

Getting frustrated! mad.gif

Links to the exact splitters being used? They are non powered models one would assume but I haven't seen many Akasa models that aren't.

What exactly is happening when you say you can't control them? Just full speed?
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Well, first of all...THANKS! This is very explanatory Mystriss and I'm going to explore the possibilities of the Aquaero through a step by step approach.

I already created the three sets of fan and named them under Aquasuite



Problem is that fans are running full speed as Jaku was guessing and...yes, Jaku, the Asaka are self powered, meaning they have they own molex connector to the PSU. The 2 sets of 3 pins fans are connected on the very same line of the Aquaero.

Just to understand what is not working, let's assume at the moment I just want to switch "with a click" between 2 different profiles:
  1. Quiet: Working, Web browsing and little stuff
  2. Performance: Playing games, overclocking

In the first profile I want all the fans to be on 600 RPM (for example), in the second case I want the fans to run 1440 RPM.

Now, with the Voltage controlled fans, I was under the impression that I just had to regulate the slider of "Maximum Power" under the tab "Fans" and for the specific set of fans I was trying to control, to a lower value to get the result...meaning I could straight get my fans running at the desired speed without rebooting or ticking other options or acting on other sliders:



But, as you can see, the RPMs are still the same:



Where Am I being a lame? biggrin.gif
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Powered splitters are no good for voltage controlled fans. They supply 12V from the PSU straight to the fans so they naturally run at full speed. In power control mode the Aquaero reduces the voltage to the fans to lower their speed. It can't do that with powered splitters. As you can see in the screen shot the selected fan header is providing zero current but the fans are at 2200RPM

Switch to unpowered splitters and it will work fine.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 11/10/15 at 6:35am
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I've been following this discussion with interest as I can see myself doing this in the future. Here is what I understand is the 'issue' and cause ... I am para-phrasing to test my knowledge of the situation ...
  • multiple fans (say 3) with power from PSU but RPM / 'control' back to Aquaero
  • desire is to control all 3 fans from Aquaero
  • I am unsure if the fans are 3-pin or 4-pin
    • if 3-pin, then control via voltage
    • if 4-pin then control via PWM
  • situation - unable to control fan RPMs
  • issue - cannot control voltage via Aquaero if pulling power from PSU (sounds reasonable once you say it)
  • solution - provide power from Aquaero ... or get 4-pin fans
post #5998 of 11174
Oh Gosh...Thanks Jaku..Got these splitters for nothing then...And I was thinking I was preserving the Aquareo if draining power from the PSU...I cannot find unpowered 1 to 5 splitters though...they all look like old fashioneted "Black-Red-Yellow" cables.

Can I connect more of these ones in series?

post #5999 of 11174
this is overkill for your need but its all that i know of that is for unpowered . not the pcb modymytoys one i mean
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CLJ64Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_7&smid=A1S9W9A986D3KF
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Oh Gosh...Thanks Jaku..Got these splitters for nothing then...And I was thinking I was preserving the Aquareo if draining power from the PSU...I cannot find unpowered 1 to 5 splitters though...they all look like old fashioneted "Black-Red-Yellow" cables.

Can I connect more of these ones in series?

post #6000 of 11174
Ah yea, that could be it if the molex takes over power distribution - I made my own 4pin fan splitters. @Hooch if you have the Corsair PWM 4pins the cable above won't work - the male hoods will prevent you from plugging them into it. I found these:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/silverstone-b-cpf02-b-one-to-three-pwm-fan-splitter-cable.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/ek-cable-y-splitter-3-fan-pwm-10cm.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/new-silverstone-pwm-fan-splitter-cable.html

But I couldn't find any splitters in the US for 4-5 fans without the molex power (*ticks off another good thing about making her own cables*) I'm not entirely sure if you can daisy chain them or not (like plug the splitter into the other splitter kind of deal)

AquaComputer site shows these, for up to 9 fans, but they are the hooded 3pin male connections too: http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3254

You could also put 3pin connectors on your fans and tape off the 4th pin wire so you can use the 3pin splitters - the fan connectors are fairly easy to change out, but you'll lose the PWM control on the fans. I skipped the 4th pwm control wire on my fans because most of the headers on the AQ5LT are 3pins rather than the 4pin anyway.

@ruffhi - I believe you almost have it, except the solution part tongue.gif If you have a powered fan splitter, regardless of if it's 3pin or 4pin, then I suspect the power will come straight from the PSU regardless of what the AQ tells it to do - as the power comes from the PSU rather than through the AQ's regulator because of the wiring. The solution is apparently what I did, make your own splitter tongue.gif OR buy 3pin non-pwm fans and use a non-powered splitter.




I've never actually looked at the wiring on a powered splitter before, but I believe they could either split in 12v and ground at what would be the MB header side and feed in a power assist /or/ they could run 12v and ground directly from the psu molex, and only pins 3 & 4 go to the MB header. If the wiring is the former of the two, then one /should/ be able to use the splitter on the AQ without the molex power plugged in.

My son has a powered 4 PWM fan splitter on his system (no AQ for him) so I'll see if I can get the AQ to control the fans via PWM on it without the molex plugged in, but I suspect it working or not would be reliant upon the particular splitter cable and how it's wired up. - Fair warning though, I'm in the middle of a fairly major project, but I'm hoping to finish up this week so I should have time to test then.
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