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or use a different voltage as well .....

also to add that that the aquaero is USUALLY very accurate they may have a one off, but i own 6 personally. and they are very close to accurate --they may be a bit off, maybe 2-4% but meh, and i do have flukes and field pieces, and other equip
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i want to add that motors ONLY use as much energy as needed. it is rated at a MAX current ( may or may not include starting currents ) but a max is not the same as what it DOES pull

the harder the pump has to work the more amps it will pull, so if instead of water ( 100% ) you replace it with a glycol mix you will use more amps to provide the same speed, the motor has to work harder to do the same work, as the glycol mix is thicker then water

I agree with this 100%, However all of our testing is with water. The pumps have been tested by many people in our industry and there "18W" max is wrong with water all results I have seen are around 20. I am not saying the AQ is inaccurate, I am sure its 5-10% accurate probably closer to 5-7%, however if it is providing only 11 volts, and doing so within a 5% accuracy than the actual 18-19 could be perceived as 14ws.

Also a lot of tests show that a DDC at 75%+ is at full speed, so what they extra power gives you I am not sure, it may be for more PSI/Thicker liquid. So if he has a low flow based loop, at 70% (or 11vs in this case) it may be running at full speed however with more restriction it would take more wattage to run at the rated speed. That or the PWM range on the Pump just sucks either one is possible and the former kind of goes hand and hand with what you are saying.

I am very curious however as to why the AQ6 is providing 11vs instead of 12, maybe the AQ is protecting itself by lowering the voltage to stay under the 30 watts?. As the actual wattage should be more so around 38-40 from everything that I have seen.

We could test the latter, he hooks up 1 of his pumps to each channel and see if it then runs at 12vs instead of 11.

AFAIK, the PAs have a 30w max per channel, I am not sure if the AQ6 does or not. If it does then it protecting itself somehow by limiting the pumps 30ws would explain why its under 30 and why the voltage is at 11. And with his low restriction setup at 11vs it runs max rpm.

Also in case of the Max wattage, I think it would be restriction based not thicker liquid. Laing does not rate the pump for use with Glycol or thick liquids it is a water only pump. They do make pumps that can and are made to handle Glycol the DDC is not one of them however.

Also as to the max wattage, I think that may be the Motors max wattage only not the entire device the board ect may be using another 1-2 watts which is why we see 19-20 with flukes.
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I agree with this 100%, However all of our testing is with water. The pumps have been tested by many people in our industry and there "18W" max is wrong with water all results I have seen are around 20. I am not saying the AQ is inaccurate, I am sure its 5-10% accurate probably closer to 5-7%, however if it is providing only 11 volts, and doing so within a 5% accuracy than the actual 18-19 could be perceived as 14ws.

Also a lot of tests show that a DDC at 75%+ is at full speed, so what they extra power gives you I am not sure, it may be for more PSI/Thicker liquid. So if he has a low flow based loop, at 70% (or 11vs in this case) it may be running at full speed however with more restriction it would take more wattage to run at the rated speed. That or the PWM range on the Pump just sucks either one is possible and the former kind of goes hand and hand with what you are saying.

I am very curious however as to why the AQ6 is providing 11vs instead of 12, maybe the AQ is protecting itself by lowering the voltage to stay under the 30 watts?. As the actual wattage should be more so around 38-40 from everything that I have seen.

We could test the latter, he hooks up 1 of his pumps to each channel and see if it then runs at 12vs instead of 11.

AFAIK, the PAs have a 30w max per channel, I am not sure if the AQ6 does or not. If it does then it protecting itself somehow by limiting the pumps 30ws would explain why its under 30 and why the voltage is at 11. And with his low restriction setup at 11vs it runs max rpm.

Also in case of the Max wattage, I think it would be restriction based not thicker liquid. Laing does not rate the pump for use with Glycol or thick liquids it is a water only pump. They do make pumps that can and are made to handle Glycol the DDC is not one of them however.

Also as to the max wattage, I think that may be the Motors max wattage only not the entire device the board ect may be using another 1-2 watts which is why we see 19-20 with flukes.

OMG you need help and need to study more if you think lowing volts will lower the watts. if a motor needs 12 watts to run it is going to pull out of the device 12 watts does not matter if it is at 12, 6, 2 volts.. you will pull more amps if you lower the volts so you do not do this to protect controllers as it is the amps that will kill it not volts!!!

the wattage of the motor has nothing to do with the small amount of waste power the board consumes!! OMG
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OMG you need help and need to study more if you think lowing volts will lower the watts. if a motor needs 12 watts to run it is going to pull out of the device 12 watts does not matter if it is at 12, 6, 2 volts.. you will pull more amps if you lower the volts so you do not do this to protect controllers as it is the amps that will kill it not volts!!!

the wattage of the motor has nothing to do with the small amount of waste power the board consumes!! OMG

Ya okay so I forgot when you run a fan at 10vs instead of 12v the amperage goes up and the fan spins at the same speed......

Reread what you just said and then realize that in the case of motors its wrong.

Just like a PWM fan can be RPM controlled so can a pump, you drop the voltage you drop the RPMs of the motor, period. Reducing the RPMs of the motor also reduce the wattage.

Said simply "Well, the basic idea is that, a DC fan's rotation speed depends -among other characteristics- on the voltage that the fan is powered. Lower voltage will cause the fan to draw less current ( I = U / R ). Less current generates weaker magnetic field. Weaker magnetic field produces less torque on the shaft. Less torque on the shaft means simply less rpm!"

http://www.pcbheaven.com/circuitpages/A_Simple_Way_To_Reduce_A_DC_Fan_Speed/

Now substitute fan for the pump motor and you have the same result. A ddc ran at 12vs is not the same a ddc ran at 11vs.

I also did not say that the waste of the baord has anything to do with the Motors Wattage, I said there "18w" claim is most likely that of the motor and does not include that of the boards waste wattage. The AQ6 which is what we are talking about does however factor in this waste wattage.
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Actually it is pretty well known, less volts is more amps, that is why the aq5 when overheating brings the fans to max speed, even at less rpms they still pull more amps, again dc voltage
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Ya okay so I forgot when you run a fan at 10vs instead of 12v the amperage goes up and the fan spins at the same speed......

Reread what you just said and then realize that in the case of motors its wrong.

Just like a PWM fan can be RPM controlled so can a pump, you drop the voltage you drop the RPMs of the motor, period. Reducing the RPMs of the motor also reduce the wattage.
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it is and it is not.. depends on how complicated you want to make it!! for the purpose of these pumps yes reducing the RPM or speed you are reducing the work being done... easiest way for people to understand is using the rule of thumb I stated.. if you are figuring the max watts... their is a curve to every pump and this determines the wattage of the motor.. so you get a laring pump and put a differant top on it and the characteristics change...

the only way to figure the wattage of a motor is by using a voltmeter and a clamp on amp meter...
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Actually it is pretty well known, less volts is more amps, that is why the aq5 when overheating brings the fans to max speed, even at less rpms they still pull more amps

Okay but that is not possible as it defys the laws of how a motor works, as I just illustrated.

It is pretty well known that at a certain point the motor is not able to spin, at this point the amperage does shoot up and this will cause issues with the fan and the AQ most likely.
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this has gotten so funny and so off topic I am gone!!!
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Okay but that is not possible as it defys the laws of how a motor works, as I just illustrated.

It is pretty well known that at a certain point the motor is not able to spin, at this point the amperage does shoot up and this will cause issues with the fan and the AQ most likely.

all I am going to say is you are absolutely wrong and have no idea what you talking about!! when you say this about a motor!!! when I figure pump and power rates for a lot bigger things than this for a living you are going to tell me it defies the laws of how a motor works... lol

Some people,,, I am gone!!! Not worth the time and it is so funny I can not stop laughing!!
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Question: these new cablemod RGB LEDs, I guess there's no reason why you couldn't hook them up to the RGB connector on the Aquaero 6 XT, right?
    
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Intel Core i7-5820K (Haswell-E) Asus Rampage V Extreme / U3.1 (X99) Asus GTX 780 DirectCU II (GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5) wi... G.Skill Trident Z Kit 32GB, DDR4-3200, CL16-16-... 
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Samsung 950 Pro 512GB Samsung 850 Evo 2TB HKKB Type 2 Professional Black EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2 
CaseMouseMouse PadOther
Corsair Carbide Air 540  Roccat Kone XTD Optical Artisan L (2x)  Bitspower Summit EF (Clear) with Silver Plate 
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EK-FB Kit Asus R5E - Acetal+Nickel Alphacool D5 Vario (VPP655) 
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