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post #8051 of 11172
Pedantry, patronization, and condescension. You're flashing faster than my brain cans "see".
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Originally Posted by SloppyDingo View Post

Here we go....

If you look closely at the video, you will see small, black squares between each set of LEDs. These are ICs. Most likely WS2801 as they are very popular with this type of LED strips. They use data in, in the form of some type of serial communication and a clock signal. This way, color data for many different lights can be sent over a single pair of wires. Being that these these chips are addressable, you can have many ICs, controlling many different lights with the ICs wired in series with a single pair of wires, traces, whatever.... NOW on the output side, I'll give you three guesses as to what these chips use to control the LEds. And the first two don't count... Three channels (R, G and B!!!!) outputting PWM!! The three input wires are going to be be ground, clock and data. Often there is a fourth for a 12 volt source when driving alrge numbers of LEDs. I'm willing to bet money there is a chip similar to this inside the controller of the Riing lights driving PWM to the three fans attached to it. If you bypass this controller and plug the lights directly into the LED port on another LED controller that uses PWM you should be able to control the colors of the lights as it's simply outputting the PWM data on three of the four pins with the fourth being ground.

WS2801 Data Sheet ---->https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/datasheets/WS2801.pdf

If we can make it past the LED thing, I'll explain how a PWM fan works.


Pedantry, patronization, and condescension. You're flashing faster than my brain can "see".
post #8052 of 11172
I don't see any of those in that post. He was very informative and succinct in that explanation.
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post #8053 of 11172
I agree with you on his technical explanations, but he was being condescending to Darlene. Does she really need for him to explain to her how pwm fans work? Actually, I'm sure he knows he doesn't. I was reacting , not to what he posted technically, but to his tone and manner. Perhaps I was a little harsh.

No matter, I'm just a lurker who has no credibility here (and rightfully so). I'll return to occasionally lurking.

Cheers
post #8054 of 11172
Pump RPM range??
I have this pump
http://www.performance-pcs.com/aquacomputer-d5-pump-motor-with-pwm-input-and-speed-signal.html
and I don't remember what the RPM range is.
I just looked at Aquasuite and see that the RPM's are 3600 and the controller says that is 56%. I am pumping 180 L/hr at that.
Does that seem correct.
thanks
dan
post #8055 of 11172
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by flemsnopes View Post

I agree with you on his technical explanations, but he was being condescending to Darlene. Does she really need for him to explain to her how pwm fans work? Actually, I'm sure he knows he doesn't. I was reacting , not to what he posted technically, but to his tone and manner. Perhaps I was a little harsh.

No matter, I'm just a lurker who has no credibility here (and rightfully so). I'll return to occasionally lurking.

Cheers



Speak up when you have a mind to . . .

I did beg the question a bit . . . .

It's always fun when guys "know" more about one of my builds than I do, or haven't been on OCN long enough to have followed my postings over the years.


In years past, I probably would have bought a pack of riing fans, just to reverse engineer them and post how to use them with non-Tt controllers, or whatever else I could glean from dissecting them, but my real job is just really pressing, to where I hardly manage to get work done on my "in progress" builds.


Darlene
post #8056 of 11172
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Originally Posted by DanBr View Post

Pump RPM range??
I have this pump
http://www.performance-pcs.com/aquacomputer-d5-pump-motor-with-pwm-input-and-speed-signal.html
and I don't remember what the RPM range is.
I just looked at Aquasuite and see that the RPM's are 3600 and the controller says that is 56%. I am pumping 180 L/hr at that.
Does that seem correct.
thanks
dan


The slowest I've seen for a PWM D5 is a bit over 800 rpm.

They top out at ~4800, maybe slightly less with some load.

3600 at ~56% seems about right, which at 180 L/hr which is 3L/min, or a bit under 1GPM to us imperial folks, and for a moderate loop, is about expected for a D5 at that speed.

D.
post #8057 of 11172
OK so this is curious, i have my new D5 EK pump conected to my Aquaero by PWM.

i have had it on a curve but now it's just on a preset value, im running it so that i have around 255 liters per hour 3900 rpm or so.

now the curious thing is that controlling it by PWM from 1% to something like 96% it stays on low rpm, 800 or so, from 96% to 100% it ramps up to the max rpm that is 4800....

so .... have any of you come across this? it should ramp up from 20% or so...

post #8058 of 11172
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Originally Posted by Vindicare View Post

OK so this is curious, i have my new D5 EK pump conected to my Aquaero by PWM.

i have had it on a curve but now it's just on a preset value, im running it so that i have around 255 liters per hour 3900 rpm or so.

now the curious thing is that controlling it by PWM from 1% to something like 96% it stays on low rpm, 800 or so, from 96% to 100% it ramps up to the max rpm that is 4800....

so .... have any of you come across this? it should ramp up from 20% or so...



If you have the pump in a "controller" the controller might be responsible for the behavior you are observing. Take the pump out of any controller and use the min and max values on the fan channel where the pump is to test the rpm - pwm signal response.

also, be aware. Old EK d5 models are not per intel pwm specs and therefore are not fully compatible with the Aquaero. Are you sure you have the new model (ek is calling g2 I think)?
post #8059 of 11172
yhea thats what i did to check out min and max range of rpm, i observed that it ramps up from 95% or so to 100%.

so i configured that channel to go from 95 to 100%

then i put it on a preset value controller and applied 81% power and its giving me 3900 rpm.

Its a brand new EK D5 Pump bought from EK.
post #8060 of 11172
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindicare View Post

yhea thats what i did to check out min and max range of rpm, i observed that it ramps up from 95% or so to 100%.

so i configured that channel to go from 95 to 100%

then i put it on a preset value controller and applied 81% power and its giving me 3900 rpm.

Its a brand new EK D5 Pump bought from EK.




Can you post a link, and a picture of the label on the pump, please.

Except for the new GEN2 PWM D5's from EK, all the ones they've had previously were not compatible with the A6 as they came out of the box.

The new GEN2 is compatible, and has a different label on the pump.


If you have your A6 set up properly, the GEN 2 will work fine, while the older ones will not control well below about 60% rpm, . . but may go above it.
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