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post #8091 of 11415
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Molex is a company. Not a connector.

I think you mean the 4 pin mate n Lok which was made by a company called amp

You're right, but I call all facial tissues "Kleenex" and in Texas all soda pops are "Coke". When instant decaf coffee was becoming de-facto "Sanka" , Sanka began using the term "Sanka brand" in an effort to keep the name from officially being declared generic. "Aspirin" is still trademarked by Bayer and "escalator" by The Otis Elevator comp[any. On it goes.

"In October 1963 AMP (now a division of Tyco International) introduced the MATE-N-LOK connector.[3] The AMP connector was similar to the patented Molex connectors but not interchangeable. Both were widely used in the computer industry and the term "Molex Connector" is often used to refer to all nylon plugs and receptacles."

All that said, you are correct in implying that it would require some diligence in those cases where AMP and molex connectors are interspersed, though I think that would be rare.
post #8092 of 11415
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Originally Posted by flemsnopes View Post

You're right, but I call all facial tissues "Kleenex" and in Texas all soda pops are "Coke". When instant decaf coffee was becoming de-facto "Sanka" , Sanka began using the term "Sanka brand" in an effort to keep the name from officially being declared generic. "Aspirin" is still trademarked by Bayer and "escalator" by The Otis Elevator comp[any. On it goes.

"In October 1963 AMP (now a division of Tyco International) introduced the MATE-N-LOK connector.[3] The AMP connector was similar to the patented Molex connectors but not interchangeable. Both were widely used in the computer industry and the term "Molex Connector" is often used to refer to all nylon plugs and receptacles."

All that said, you are correct in implying that it would require some diligence in those cases where AMP and molex connectors are interspersed, though I think that would be rare.

I like to cover my bases from the Verbiage Nazi's. No Offense Mega Man, but when referring to a terminal, connector or tool, I'll just say a MOLEX branded whatever. And you sound like you may be in the Houston area regarding your reference of soda as coke. I'm from Houston but live in San Antonio. Personally I'm more of a medium sweet tea drinker.
Edited by jsutter71 - 7/15/16 at 7:00am
post #8093 of 11415
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I like to cover my bases from the Verbiage Nazi's. No Offense Mega Man, but when referring to a terminal, connector or tool, I'll just say a MOLEX branded whatever. And you sound like you may be in the Houston area regarding your reference of soda as coke. I'm from Houston but live in San Antonio. Personally I'm more of a medium sweet tea drinker.

I was born in Texarkana but moved to Austin in 1952 when I was 8 and spent my childhood there . Lived in Houston for 4 years and Dallas for 4 years but have been away from Texas for quite some time.

Language, despite any efforts to preserve it's present codification, is democratic and fluid. Despite all efforts to "freeze" it's codification, people will "vote" on usage despite all efforts of language bureaucrats to thwart that. If that weren't true we would all still be speaking Elizabethan English. The fluidity occurs when people aren't isolated from one another and the democracy of language is in full force. On Tangiers Island off the coast of Virginia, the community was so isolated that they all still speak a form of Elizabethan English though over the past few years I think that has begun to erode.

In the crowd of old electronics people I hang out with, they would look at me askance if I referred to this connector as an AMP Mate-N-Lock. On the other hand if I found myself amongst the people Mega Man hangs out with, AMP Connector might be the standard or it least it would be appropriate to differentiate rather than using the generic "molex". No right and wrong here really - it's analogous to congressional districts. My district is an aging populace. Most of the world pronounce router "rooter" and Americans usually pronounce it "rowter" though in the very early days of computers we usually said "rooter" also. Democracy took over.
post #8094 of 11415
True. But doing something because everyone seems does it does not mean it is right.

A great example is freon.

Most hvac guys hate "freon" when used for refrigerants as it is dupont name brand for r22

Adlai feel free to google molex crimping tool to find the correct crimping tool.... you won't
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post #8095 of 11415
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

True. But doing something because everyone seems does it does not mean it is right.

A great example is freon.

Most hvac guys hate "freon" when used for refrigerants as it is dupont name brand for r22

Adlai feel free to google molex crimping tool to find the correct crimping tool.... you won't


It depends on the "committee" that arbitrarily sets he rules for "right" and "wrong" in language. Freon is another example of a generic word. The "committee" your HVAC guy sits on is less than influential with the larger populace and his dislike of people using Freon generically is hardly apt to change anything. It's not as specific as r22, but the larger populace doesn't care. When they are told their air conditioner needs Freon it's unambiguous Lack of ambiguity is the real test for right and wrong.. Do you really say facial tissue rather than Kleenex? Or do you go to a drugstore and ask where you find the acetylsalicylic acid rather than where's the aspirin? I doubt it. Aspirin and Kleenex are trademarked names just like Freon. I fail to see the issue of right and wrong here. It's whether you accept the concept of "generic usage". If you don't you are still free to form your own "usage committee" and try to influence the English speaking world at large. Good luck in that.
post #8096 of 11415
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Originally Posted by ruffhi View Post

I just pulled out my non-modular spare PSU ($30 ... everyone should have one), plugged in the molex connector (or the 4-pin power connector with the funny cut-offs ... keep up the Not Molex campaign Mega-Man!) and powered it up ... she lives!

I'll check again with the PSU, power cable, etc in the main build and see what happens.

Ok ... I found out why my Aquaero wasn't powering on using the installed PSU and the wire I made for it ... yep ... user error ... I wired the molex (aka 4 pin mate n Lok) cable into the 6-pin PCI-e connector incorrectly. I've now depinned the 6-pin connector ... but now I don't know which black wire is which (I sleeved it). I had put dots on each wire (1, 2, 3, 4) but some of them have rubbed off frown.gif.

I could desleeve and then trace the wires individually ... or ... can I use a volt meter to determine which wire is which?

I keep telling people that this build isn't about the build ... it is about learning new stuff. So far, I have experimented with soldering, sleeving, crimping, drilling, design, depinning ... now I get to stray into the world of electronics.
post #8097 of 11415
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Originally Posted by ruffhi View Post

Ok ... I found out why my Aquaero wasn't powering on using the installed PSU and the wire I made for it ... yep ... user error ... I wired the molex (aka 4 pin mate n Lok) cable into the 6-pin PCI-e connector incorrectly. I've now depinned the 6-pin connector ... but now I don't know which black wire is which (I sleeved it). I had put dots on each wire (1, 2, 3, 4) but some of them have rubbed off frown.gif.

I could desleeve and then trace the wires individually ... or ... can I use a volt meter to determine which wire is which?

I keep telling people that this build isn't about the build ... it is about learning new stuff. So far, I have experimented with soldering, sleeving, crimping, drilling, design, depinning ... now I get to stray into the world of electronics.

Sort of like being a Rennaissance man isn't? Glad you solved it

https://www.google.com/search?q=standard+molex+pinout&biw=1920&bih=1036&tbm=isch&imgil=nhDjb8Eq1fhorM%253A%253BXHFSBaEhcP_eqM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.smpspowersupply.com%25252Fconnectors-pinouts.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=nhDjb8Eq1fhorM%253A%252CXHFSBaEhcP_eqM%252C_&usg=__WMoTcN_3v1cu1OAAS7IP9hUComA%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiEieukzfjNAhVI2T4KHaLzD0YQyjcITQ&ei=m3uKV8TPI8iy-wGi57-wBA#imgrc=nhDjb8Eq1fhorM%3A

You can find the pin-out here somewhere.
post #8098 of 11415
Thx ... I have an existing molex to 6-pin that tells me exactly where molex pin #1 should go ... but ... looking at the PCI-e end of my sleeved 4-wire cable (all wires are black) ... I can't tell which wire is plugged into molex pin #1.

Do I need to desleeve and trace individually ... or is this something that a volt meter (or similar) can tell me?
post #8099 of 11415
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Originally Posted by ruffhi View Post

Thx ... I have an existing molex to 6-pin that tells me exactly where molex pin #1 should go ... but ... looking at the PCI-e end of my sleeved 4-wire cable (all wires are black) ... I can't tell which wire is plugged into molex pin #1.

Do I need to desleeve and trace individually ... or is this something that a volt meter (or similar) can tell me?

I'm right their with you. I spent a fortune on cables before I realized how to crimp and sleeve. Crimp terminals and wire are a hell of a lot less expensive. I HIGHLY recommend using a volt meter and using a pin out diagram. I customized almost every cable in my current build with the exception of the SATA data and USB 3.0 cables. Be careful because it's easy to fry a power supply or component with a incorrect pin out. I also recommend getting a power supply cable tester. I use Thermaltake Dr. Power II. Anyways to answer your question, the 12 volt connection goes into pin 1.

Here's a good link to get you started.
https://tipidpc.com/viewtopic.php?tid=182400&page=1
Edited by jsutter71 - 7/16/16 at 7:13pm
post #8100 of 11415
Thanks everyone for your posts ... all good comments and suggestions. I have a PSU cable tester that I thought I had used on this new cable ... maybe I didn't.

Anyway ... pin outs, which is cable #1, etc, etc is not the issue.

I have an existing cable that tells me exactly what goes where. The yellow cable is cable #1 and goes to port #1 on the molex connector. It carries the 12v.


LiqAsrt-0340.jpg

I know which is cable #1 on my made cable (see white mark on molex connector) ... that is port #1 at the molex end ... but I cannot tell which is cable #1 at the other end of the cable. Is the cable that is plugged into port #1 on the molex connect cable A ... or B ... or C ... or D.

How do I tell? That is my question. I can desleeve and trace ... but is there another way?


LiqAsrt-0341.jpg

As I mentioned above ... I did mark each cable before sleeving and thought I had pinned it out correctly (I hadn't). The marks that use to be on the cables have rubbed off.
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