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post #8131 of 11086
Hello all, I know this issue has been discussed at length on a bunch of different threads, but I have a questions about flow rates. With my two AC D5's running in series configuration single loop, I am getting about 4.5 LPM give or take. That's with 4 radiators, 1 CPU block, and 3 GPU's with a EK-FC bridge running in parallel flow. My case is a Caselabs STH10. My pumps are running at about 100% but they are fairly quiet. I read, flow rates higher then 1.5-2.0 LPM won't contribute much to cooling. I would like some opinions based on personal experience. My options are adding a third pump to my loop, and if so I am considering a EK-XTOP, or just another pump side by side. Or just stay with my current configuration. Any thoughts or suggestions?
post #8132 of 11086
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Hello all, I know this issue has been discussed at length on a bunch of different threads, but I have a questions about flow rates. With my two AC D5's running in series configuration single loop, I am getting about 4.5 LPM give or take. That's with 4 radiators, 1 CPU block, and 3 GPU's with a EK-FC bridge running in parallel flow. My case is a Caselabs STH10. My pumps are running at about 100% but they are fairly quiet. I read, flow rates higher then 1.5-2.0 LPM won't contribute much to cooling. I would like some opinions based on personal experience. My options are adding a third pump to my loop, and if so I am considering a EK-XTOP, or just another pump side by side. Or just stay with my current configuration. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Not sure if I would go with 3 D5s as you should be ok. .The actual sweet spot is 1.0-1.5 GPM for an efficient running loop. Those numbers were tested from Martin'sliquidlab.
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Hello all, I know this issue has been discussed at length on a bunch of different threads, but I have a questions about flow rates. With my two AC D5's running in series configuration single loop, I am getting about 4.5 LPM give or take. That's with 4 radiators, 1 CPU block, and 3 GPU's with a EK-FC bridge running in parallel flow. My case is a Caselabs STH10. My pumps are running at about 100% but they are fairly quiet. I read, flow rates higher then 1.5-2.0 LPM won't contribute much to cooling. I would like some opinions based on personal experience. My options are adding a third pump to my loop, and if so I am considering a EK-XTOP, or just another pump side by side. Or just stay with my current configuration. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Why are you not happy with that? That is about ~1.2 GPM which is perfectly fine. You can even drop the flow down to 0.5 GPM and you would still most likely be fine with your components. What is your goal? To reach even higher flow for..?.. or to cool efficiently and with the less noise?
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Why are you not happy with that? That is about ~1.2 GPM which is perfectly fine. You can even drop the flow down to 0.5 GPM and you would still most likely be fine with your components. What is your goal? To reach even higher flow for..?.. or to cool efficiently and with the less noise?

I am not happy or unhappy with my current flow. I was mostly looking for comparisons from other people to determine whether or not I should add another pump. As far as my goal is concerned, I want to be able to have flexibility with my pumps. Given the choice and budget, I would rather have three pumps running at 50% to obtain the same results as two running at full power.
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Only real advantage running 3 pumps will be the reduced noise due to the lower pump drive requirement.

Overall it just boils down to how fussy you are wrt noise being generated by the pumps.

As stated by others, flows in excess of 1.5 GPM have very little effect.

When testing my DejaVu build, I found that even running down at 0.8 GPM flow rates, it had very minor impacts on temps.
Edited by Costas - 7/19/16 at 3:54pm
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I am not happy or unhappy with my current flow. I was mostly looking for comparisons from other people to determine whether or not I should add another pump. As far as my goal is concerned, I want to be able to have flexibility with my pumps. Given the choice and budget, I would rather have three pumps running at 50% to obtain the same results as two running at full power.

Here we go. These are approximate figures for you restriction curve but you will get the point. The curves for the D5 numbers (1x, 2x, 3x pumps) are exact (save minor differences in adding pump in series). the traced line is your flow with 2x D5 running at 100% (around 1.2 GPM). You can clearly see that even if you run your 3 pumps at 100% you will gain very little in total flow (the point where the blue line cross the 3x pump pressure drop curve) because restriction increase exponentially with flow.

You can do the same calculation for 3x d5 running at let's say 40% if you want (just need to put both of yours d5 running now at 40% to check the flow and approximate the exponential curve using the new traced line).

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so bottom line here: you would probably not gain much adding a third pump and to known how much would you gain by been able to run the 3 pumps at lower rpm you would need to estimate the restriction with pumps running at lets say 40 or 60%

numbers came from here:

https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/swiftech-mcp-655-pwm-drive-pump-review/4/

and a useful reading (which you might already have):

https://martinsliquidlab.wordpress.com/pump-planning-guide/
Edited by Gabrielzm - 7/19/16 at 4:28pm
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Also, if your loop is complex and fairly restrictive, DDC 35Xs or 50X pumps would have been ideal for you since they have more pressure than D5s but are noisier and run warmer. Its the tradeoff between the two really. I'd probably stick with the dual D5s in series you have there since they're still quieter at 100% than DDCs.

I use the MCP35X2s as they can get noisy once they cross the 40%-50% mark. I can't test them too high because of the bad design of the reservoir I have here (Maelstrom) as they'll end up sucking in air which so happens everytime I start up the PC and the AQ 6 since by default, the pumps get 100% power for a few seconds before the profile settings kick in. I got used to the screams of air being sucked in by now. biggrin.gif
Edited by GTXJackBauer - 7/19/16 at 11:24pm
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Thanks. I just got a cheapo one from Amazon.
And connected in the correct way. I have white and black wire ... I might branch out and get yellow and green. I sleeved them all together into a single strand ... in pink so that I know which is the magic 4-wire Aquaero cable.

Good! I was just thinking about cutting all the extra wire hanging around my Aquaero 6XT and 2 Poweradjusts. Now I can make them just long enough to run from one to another and get rid of this cable clutter.
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Is an Aquaero 7 in the works?

I am interested in buying the 6 XT - this is the best one currently, correct? Buy I can wait a few months if an Aquaero 7 is coming out.
Where is a reputable place to buy these from? I see there is about a $15-$20 price difference between PerformancePC and AquaTuning.
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There is no "best" one. Choose the one that meets your needs.


Both are reputable.

One will come from Europe the other from usa
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Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
CoolingCoolingOSOS
Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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