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I'd love someone to post a link to a reputable 3rd party benchmark that shows an i7 being measurably better in any game... it would have to be Crysis... otherwise the i7 with HT or the i5 is going to perform better since it would be able to achieve higher clock speeds from the reduction in heat.

After a few patches, Crysis 3 did get optimized for HT and the i7 performed clearly better than the i5.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Crysis-3-PC-235317/Tests/Crysis-3-CPU-Test-1068140/
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so what if i7s didn't perform better than i5s in games, that's the status quo. It won't be for long. besides that's changing very soon with the new consoles forcing developers to go multithreaded.

And i do video rendering, time is money of which the i7s is better for this.

I would rather have it, then need it and not have it to begin with.
     
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so what if i7s didn't perform better than i5s in games, that's the status quo. It won't be for long. besides that's changing very soon with the new consoles forcing developers to go multithreaded.

And i do video rendering, time is money of which the i7s is better for this.

Well, the big thing is that even if HT gives 20% perf gain, i7 loses on value which makes it less appealing for many people. It's still king of the mainstream no doubt about that.

In terms of video encoding, clock for clock ~17% faster on i7 - but since i'm using a "mere" thermalright silver arrow and not delidded, i can clock my 4770k 2-5% higher with ht off, like pretty much anyone else can with i5 - because with HT on, you'll be hitting questionable temperatures well before 1.4v while i5 can approach those levels much easier

I love the cpu and own one but it's a hard argument if value is brought up as the difference in performance is way smaller than the difference in cost for any games that gain or even some multithreaded loads like x264 encoding
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Asking my supplier if the asrock forumla can be done at a cheaper price instead of 299
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Also something to note gents. Just because the new consoles have 8 cores does not mean devs will go full multi threaded. Even if they did that just means the console ports will be multithreaded, games like SC2 Dota 2, WoW (WoW succesor), ect will. Lets assume you are right though by the time everyone is coded multithreading we will all be on the new Intel systems, and current choice CPU's would not mater. All things to consider. Me personally If I had the cash i would go i7, but just not worth the stretch to me.
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Asking my supplier if the asrock forumla can be done at a cheaper price instead of 299

Dude! Please buy something for 150 AUD instead of 300 AUD or this whole thread was kind of pointless. If you don't really care much about money, just buy i7 and forget i5. tongue.gif

EDIT: I looked up pricing on some random Australian online shopping site and I looked up exchange rate for AUD to EUR and USD and I guess I was wrong. Look for something $200 AUD, $150 AUD is probably a bit too crappy.
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If you get a board for 150 bucks its going to be really damn budget, americans have things too cheap
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so what if i7s didn't perform better than i5s in games, that's the status quo. It won't be for long. besides that's changing very soon with the new consoles forcing developers to go multithreaded.

And i do video rendering, time is money of which the i7s is better for this.

I would rather have it, then need it and not have it to begin with.

People have been saying this since quad cores came out. There reality is that there are PLENTY of PC first and PC exclusive games that SHOULD have taken advantage of this. The bottom line though is that it IS NOT more cores it is NOT double the performance if it could use all the cores and since since it has been "changing very soon" for 4 years,,, stop holding your breath

That isn't to say I recommend the i5 over the i7. I only buy i5s for my gaming rigs but I get the newest proc every seasonl

My recommendation... buy the i7 and shut off the HT... 100MHz higher clock rate will have a bigger affect on any and all games now and future than HT will.


Before BF3 came out people where saying multi-threaded utilization in games is COMING SOON! Battlefield 3's engine will be designed around this.

THEN BOOM EPIC FAIL... Linus Tech Tips shows that a 6-Core i7 Extreme with hyper-threading is only marginally faster than that same processor with only 1 core active and HT turned on and IS NOT faster than that same processor with 2 cores and hyper-threading off. In other words aside from the higher clock rates an i3 would have been fine!!!!!!

That is not going to change any time soon! People having been making this argument that it is going to happen for YEARS!!!!! The only version of this argument that has EVER come true is back when it has single core vs dual core and at the time you could run your game faster with 1 core off and a higher OC than 2 cores and then FINALLY games started BARELY making use of 2 cores... and there has been NO improvement since.

To my knowledge there are NO games that take advantage of more than 2 cores... if there is I'd like the evidence and it would probably be Crysis 3... that said though it should be easy to find 20 games that make use of 4 cores... but you can't and you def cant find 2 games that make use of 6 or 8.

Please put this one to rest people!!!


To the OP what I tried to say in the very beginning is that the ABSOLUTE cheapest board will provide you with the same exact max overclock on air cooler or AIO cooler. Maybe just a few dollars more might see some difference with well over 1.4v on customer water-loops but you shouldn't really run over 1.4 anyways.

Also don't waste any money on fast RAM... if you can get a Z87M OC Formula on the cheap then I will say that the Z87M OC Formula is easier to OC than any of the other boards I have used... It also has the ability to just run the processor harder and faster without actually doing any actual changes... all auto mode and makes a considerable difference... But that is with ANY Z87 ASROCK board.

There is not a whole lot of reason to buy the Z87M over the Extreme 6 either... so keep that in mind... and unless there is a significant feature you are not going to have a faster processor on the Z87M OC Formula than you would have on the Pro3...

This is a cheap build I did for a friend quite a while back on a 2nd gen i5... this is when having decent VRMs still mattered a little bit (doesn't anymore). 4.4GHz OC on Pro3 NO PROBLEMO and he is still running it to this day.
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Even though I don't really do anything other than gaming, school work, and some photoshop work on my tower, I'm thinking that the difference in performance per core coming from a Core 2 Quad to the 4670K will be more than enough of an improvement to not really have a means to justify the i7 over the i5. I love my i5 and that's coming from an 8120 owner (it's going to be handed down in a tower for my sister and her kids). Honestly, IIRC the BDs are only marginally better than a C2Q in multithreaded usage. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if people put up info showing that the single core performance of overclocked AMD FX bulldozers is closely matched or beaten by the C2Q at stock clocks. Consider you'll be making a jump of four to five generations, I honestly think the i5 will suit all of your needs just fine. As far as the motherboard is concerned, the i5 will suit you better as you can get a more solid board with the money you'd save getting an i5 over the i7. If you want to future proof I can understand wanting the i7, but honestly, at this point and seeing how much performance I gained with the Haswell on half the processing threads, I can't see a reason to justify upgrading within the next 18-24 months, let alone in the next 3-4 years, and even then it would only happen if I decide it's worth going up to a Haswell-E 5820K or 5930K after the launch pricing on the CPUs and DDR4 falls. I have a bias here since I own a 4670K, but even at stock clocks it has run much smoother than my BD did at 4+ GHz. In my case, the $80USD I saved over the i7 paid for 4 BNIB Black Ice GTS 360s that the MicroCenter was clearing out of stock at $20 a piece.. and all because they had them labeled in their inventory system as Danger Den brand and were getting rid of all the DD stock.
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My recommendation... buy the i7 and shut off the HT..

That's called buying an i5 pretty much biggrin.gif
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