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My case cant support rads or anything like that i dont believe as it only has 12 cm fans on it, unless a 240 rad would fit in the front which i doubt. The 8350 does not like games that are only really intel optimised like tera online, world of warcraft and especially ffxiv ( that game runs so damn bad in a populated zone) In games with a 8350 overclocking them does not really help as the cpu is never at full potential as the other cores are just sitting there waiting for something to do as the games only really use two cores, unless its something like bf4, which only uses 6 and the other two are parked. Having a quick look on the internet there is nothing to really say that there will be a huge upgrade from the 4770k to the next refresh, and that it will only really improve next year with broadwell. Man if anything i will cancel that gigabyte board and get the asrock z87 oc formula as its just one beast of a mainboard

The update is important. See these news: http://www.overclock.net/t/1475438/wccf-intel-haswell-refresh-unlocked-design-and-improved-tim

That "improved thermal interface material" is the important part because it might mean that it will be using solder like it was on Sandy Bridge. You won't have to cry about your temperatures looking terrible and thinking about delidding like on current 4770k. That delidding stuff is scary. I really didn't like how it made me feel when I did it to my 3570k and my plan afterwards was to never buy something like this again. tongue.gif
post #152 of 206
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My case cant support rads or anything like that i dont believe as it only has 12 cm fans on it, unless a 240 rad would fit in the front which i doubt. The 8350 does not like games that are only really intel optimised like tera online, world of warcraft and especially ffxiv ( that game runs so damn bad in a populated zone) In games with a 8350 overclocking them does not really help as the cpu is never at full potential as the other cores are just sitting there waiting for something to do as the games only really use two cores, unless its something like bf4, which only uses 6 and the other two are parked. Having a quick look on the internet there is nothing to really say that there will be a huge upgrade from the 4770k to the next refresh, and that it will only really improve next year with broadwell. Man if anything i will cancel that gigabyte board and get the asrock z87 oc formula as its just one beast of a mainboard

The update is important. See these news: http://www.overclock.net/t/1475438/wccf-intel-haswell-refresh-unlocked-design-and-improved-tim

That "improved thermal interface material" is the important part because it might mean that it will be using solder like it was on Sandy Bridge. You won't have to cry about your temperatures looking terrible and thinking about delidding like on current 4770k. That delidding stuff is scary. I really didn't like how it made me feel when I did it to my 3570k and my plan afterwards was to never buy something like this again. tongue.gif

I don't know why people think improved thermal interface material means solder. There is no way they are going back to solder. They are going to use improved thermal interface... there is a reason they went to TIM... it probably is less expensive for some reason... but whatever reason they have for TIM complaining about Ivy Bridge didn't make them rush back to solder... so why would they do it now... I truly believe if they where going back to solder they would say solder.

Still though all we are doing is replacing the Intel TIM with better TIM so if Intel uses good enough TIM at least it will be less of an improvemen to delid it.

Really though... 3 months from now you will be wondering why you couldn't just wait.
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TIM does not have to mean paste. It can be whatever including fluxless solder like on Sandy Bridge or i7-4820k (which is cheaper than i7-4770k where I am!). There's not really any better paste than what Intel was already using, so I'd think they wouldn't call it improved if it was still paste. That was my thought process.
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I would never delid a cpu just for a few degress in temps
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I would never delid a cpu just for a few degress in temps

Well 20c seems among the most common temp gains~

that's why it's even something to really consider.. but it still requires either bravery or stupidity to jump in and do it if the chip cost is very significant to you
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post #156 of 206
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Changing from an amd 8350 to an intel i3 is a huge upgrade yet alone an i5 or i7 in smoothness
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Only a 100mh increase in the next line of cpus with no k version, hardly worth a wait
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Only a 100mh increase in the next line of cpus with no k version, hardly worth a wait

It might behave as good as a delidded 4770k. That's not totally clear yet, but the i7-4820k is for example great regarding temperatures, so Intel can fix that issue that made people think about delidding without problem apparently (they just have to want to do it). If it's great like that, it would definitely be worth the wait.

I think it comes out end of April or something? If that's true, it isn't a long wait.
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If you want a 4770K but are not keen on waiting for the refresh and new chipset, get one now. Yes the Haswell refresh are coming out soon but you have to consider if it's worth it to you. As far as I'm aware, the only thing worth noting in the Haswell refresh is the TIM. It may be better but 1) We don't know how much better 2) It wont matter as much if you are only doing a mild overclock and 3) it might not be worth waiting if you want a new processor now.

It mostly comes down to how much you want to overclock. If you don't plan on overclocking that much (past say 4.4GHz) then it wont really benefit you that much if you wait for the Haswell refresh. I'm pretty sure the games you listed will run fine on a stock 4770K as well. My 8350 runs WoW pretty well to be honest and my 3570K does excellent to.
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Is your 8350 overclocked at all? Does your intel get a better fps than what the amd does?
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