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I don't know about ffxiv but WoW has terrible multicore optimalisation, an i7 really is a waste for WoW. An overclocked i5 should be about the best you can get for WoW.
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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

Well a full Limsa Lominsa was laggy and choppy on a 4.4Ghz i5-2500k that I tried. It really is how MMORPGs are coded, absolutely CPU bound when lots of players are around. A highly overclocked 4770k is your best bet, it should perform noticeably better than an FX-8350 but it won't be perfect for sure and I can't tell If it is gonna be any more enjoyable to you. Just clock both core and RAM as high as you can and hope for the best.

I play WoW at Darksorrow EU, 1920X1080 Ultra.

I have got a 4770k, which I run at stock and with turbo disabled. I get excellent performance.

I tested the 4770k at 4GHz, decided it was overkill, and switched to stock 3.5 GHz. Overclocking a 4770k just to play WoW is a waste of heat and electricity.

Even my QX9650@4GHz (a 7 year old CPU) performed fine at WoW. If I played only WoW, I wouldn't have upgraded to Haswell at all.
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I play WoW at Darksorrow EU, 1920X1080 Ultra.

I have got a 4770k, which I run at stock and with turbo disabled. I get excellent performance.

I tested the 4770k at 4GHz, decided it was overkill, and switched to stock 3.5 GHz. Overclocking a 4770k just to play WoW is a waste of heat and electricity.

Even my QX9650@4GHz (a 7 year old CPU) performed fine at WoW. If I played only WoW, I wouldn't have upgraded to Haswell at all.

Not in raids. It is common knowledge really, minimums will be low in 25man raiding and when in open world bosses with several raid groups around, performance will tank no matter what you run. Fraps a run in full 25 LFR to see.
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Not in raids. It is common knowledge really, minimums will be low in 25man raiding and when in open world bosses with several raid groups around, performance will tank no matter what you run. Fraps a run in full 25 LFR to see.

Yes, in raids too.

In fact, I used to top the DPS meters with my 7 year old CPU, the QX9650@4GHz (and even lesser overclocks), which meant that I got excellent performance and no lag.

The CPU demand of WoW is overblown way out of proportion.



The above is a screenshot from a WoW:MoP raid wherein I get as shown in the screenshot, 54.8 FPS in a 25 man raid as well as topping the damage meters.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650@3.85 Ghz, made in November 2007.
Motherboard: Asus P5Q Deluxe, made in May 2008.
GPU: Nvidia GTX 580, running 20% UNDERclocked, made in August 2011.

1920X1080 ULTRA.

>The logical conclusion is, that an overclocked 4770K is overkill for WoW. Hell, even my 7 year old overclocked QX9650 was overkill for WoW at 1920X1080.
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Yes, in raids too.

In fact, I used to top the DPS meters with my 7 year old CPU, the QX9650@4GHz (and even lesser overclocks), which meant that I got excellent performance and no lag.

The CPU demand of WoW is overblown way out of proportion.



The above is a screenshot from a WoW:MoP raid wherein I get as shown in the screenshot, 54.8 FPS in a 25 man raid as well as topping the damage meters.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650@3.85 Ghz, made in November 2007.
Motherboard: Asus P5Q Deluxe, made in May 2008.
GPU: Nvidia GTX 580, running 20% UNDERclocked.

Doesn't look like the middle of an intense fight with spell effects flying everywhere to me though. I didn't play since MOP and didn't test a bunch when i did play because i was less into hardware back then - but a lot of people on sc2 etc post screenshots and say "hey i have 100fps in midgame" or "look at my 60fps with all of these dead units around" when they're actually at like 20-30fps in fight. Do you have a screenshot like that, in the height of combat, or something like fraps bench?
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Doesn't look like the middle of an intense fight with spell effects flying everywhere to me though. I didn't play since MOP and didn't test a bunch when i did play because i was less into hardware back then - but a lot of people on sc2 etc post screenshots and say "hey i have 100fps in midgame" or "look at my 60fps with all of these dead units around" when they're actually at like 20-30fps in fight. Do you have a screenshot like that, in the height of combat, or something like fraps bench?

Pretty much this. In the heat of an intense fight with particles going ballistic (something like Thunderking) drops will happen, on intel extremes, let alone C2Q. And I didn't even mentioned pull (hunters and warlocks summoning crap on top of everything) there will be lag. Throughout the years, I've raided with C2D, C2Q, sandy bridge (and tried out an extreme setup even), and a bunch of AMD cpus. Everything lags.Back in the early days of wintergrasp (no player limit) my then new 9450 clocked@3.2Ghz would drop to 1fps in the final moments in front of the gate with 100 people going all out.
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Only get i7 if you are going to to a crossfire of r9 290(x),where the HT makes the difference when the cpu needs more power
Not saying that there are NO games that benefit from HT but can you please direct me to a single review that shows any measurable gains for HT in a video game. Because all I have ever seen is that HT reduces performance sometimes I guess because it trys doing some of the work on the logical core when there are physical cores available. I have NEVER seen a measurable gain in gaming for an i7 and sorry but people saying they notice a difference doesn't count. There are real benchmarks out there showing HT doesn't help games. Also there is plenty of evidence that even in games that are supposed to perform better with CPUs that have more than 2 cores they in fact did not perform better at all.

That said if you have the money get the i7... just turn off the hyper-threading since you will be able to clock it higher and any amount of MHz gain will outperform hyper-threading when it comes to games. The i7 has more cache (who cares) and from what someone else says they are more likely to OC well... I have not seen that thread but I could see it being possible. Where I live it is a $
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The main thing that puts me off an asrock or asus board is there is no dual bios so if one fails the board is a throw away pretty much lol
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The main thing that puts me off an asrock or asus board is there is no dual bios so if one fails the board is a throw away pretty much lol

I've owned 8 straight ASRock boards from Z77 to Z87 to X79 and they are top notch. Why would a bios fail?

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I don't know about ffxiv but WoW has terrible multicore optimalisation, an i7 really is a waste for WoW. An overclocked i5 should be about the best you can get for WoW.

I have NEVER EVER EVER had a BIOS fail... There is NO reason for the BIOS to fail and I do believe ASROCK has bios recovery so that you can not mess the BIOS up while flashing... There are plenty of other chips on the board that would be just as likely to fail and just as important if they did, BUT they don't

Don't get suckered into things like that... On a ROG board 2 bioses is great because you could have your daily driver settings on one bios and your LN2 or Dry Ice on another. Most other boards not needed.
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I've owned 8 straight ASRock boards from Z77 to Z87 to X79 and they are top notch. Why would a bios fail?

I am on my second asrock board and would have no reason to buy anything else honestly, especially considering the price. I think the board you listed earlier in this thread would be fine!
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If you do encoding like video rendering, the i7 is worth it, it's 30% faster with the hyperthreads.

Don't cut yourself short. It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Crysis 3 and BF4 benefits from more cores now, and with the advent of next-gen consoles with 8 weak cores, all games in the future will be made with extensive multithreading in mind.

get i7!

In my experience i recommend Gigabyte and Asrock, they're rock solid for me over the years, especially Asrock's Z77E-ITX and Gigabyte's GA-X79-UP4.
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The i7 really has no improvement over the i5 for gaming.

What the i7 does better than the i5 is encoding/rendering/multi-threaded stuff. If you don't intend to do lots of that, get an i5 and spend the money elsewhere. MMOs are great examples of games that do not scale well with Multiple cores or Hyperthreading/Virtual Cores.

If you've got a budget, go with the i5 and a good motherboard instead of the i7 and a cheaper motherboard.

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Other forums they say there is nothing wrong with the 8350 but i beg to differ, Im just trying to source out if the i7 makes any real improvements in gaming or is it still really a platform that is waiting to have its potential unlocked. All the players in wow say get an i7 but they can never give a reason why it is better than an i5

There really is no "unlocked" potential in the i7's for gaming.
Until games scale well with 8-cores, Hyperthreading is useless for them.
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i7-2600K ASRock Z75 Pro3 GTX 970 16GB 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
250GB Samsung 850 Evo WinXP Pro / Win7 Pro 1080p 60Hz Thermaltake Smart M850W 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium G4400 ASRock H110M-HDV GTX 550 Ti 8GB (2x4) 
Hard DriveOSPowerOther
250GB SSD Windows 7 500W 300Mbps WLAN 
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