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Originally Posted by Nuru0190 View Post

Well, not gaming only.
I said that i would like to photoshop on it too.
But as for gaming, Crysis 3 and the soon to be released Witcher 3 are ultra demanding, hence why i'd like a laptop like that. Also, chances are, i won't have to buy another one for 4 or 5 years....

Pretty much everybody tell me that double GTX 780m SLI, i7 and 16Go Ram are overkill, but on some of the youtube videos i've seen, with all that power, Crysis 3 in ultra setting doesn't even run at 60 fps.... So perhaps it's not so overkill after all, no?

1: Overkill on a laptop is never a bad thing as long as the price is relatively reasonable for what you get. [IMO]

2: Alienware translates into French as "trop cher". ...it does that in English as well.

3: A Clevo notebook [aka: Sager] can be found at eurocom.com or various custom build sites in France/EU. Some sites don't have many models right now because new models are launching next month.

4: Clevos are meant to be upgradable, so you can upgrade the GPU later [most likely so long as things remain MXM]. You could get a single GPU model and save money now, then grab a newer model GPU down the road to reach your 4-5 year

I was window shopping and am now very tempted by something like this. [Xoticpc does ship internationally, but better you find a local dealer out of concern for shipping costs should you need to take advantage of the warranty.]

XOTIC PC | Sager NP9377 (Clevo P370SM3) 17.3" Custom Gaming Laptop

Sub-Total: $2,139.00
Sager NP9377 (Clevo P377SM-A) - ETA: April
- PRE-ORDER - ( ETA, specifications and upgrade-ability are subject to change by manufacturer )
- FREE!!! – U.S. UPS GROUND SHIPPING (Use Coupon Code "FREESHIP" in Checkout) [U.S. Lower 48 ONLY / Restrictions Apply]
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - SSC002)
- Standard No Dead Pixel Policy
- Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4810MQ (2.8GHz - 3.8GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache) (SKU – SPU401)
- - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- SLI (2x) - NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX 870M (12.0GB total) GDDR5 PCI-Express DX11 [User Upgradeable] (SKU – GPU07X)
- 16GB DDR3 1600MHz [2x8GB] Dual Channel Memory (SKU - RAM02S)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Laptop Finish
- 1TB 7200RPM [SATA II - 3GB/s] (SKU - HDD097)
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- 8X Super Multi DVDRW/CDRW Combo Drive (Sager) (Dual Layer w/ Software) (When selecting a Hard Drive in the Optical Bay, No Optical Drive is Included) (SKU - ODD099)
- Bluetooth Included *With select wireless cards only* (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
- Sager - Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth™ 4.0 (SKU - WIFI99)
- Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
- Integrated Digital Video Camera
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- ~Windows 8.1 - 64-Bit (64-Bit CD Included) + MS Office 2013 Trial


... I ask, what's not to love about a laptop with what's basically a pair of 660 Ti and a fairly respectable CPU?
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post #12 of 15
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1: Overkill on a laptop is never a bad thing as long as the price is relatively reasonable for what you get. [IMO]

4: Clevos are meant to be upgradable, so you can upgrade the GPU later [most likely so long as things remain MXM]. You could get a single GPU model and save money now, then grab a newer model GPU down the road to reach your 4-5 year

I agree with number 1. the more you buy up front, the longer the laptop will be able to handle games. Buying low end GPUs is great when you have a gaming machine to supplement, or you don't care about high performance with high graphic settings, they will give you an OK experience, but it is ridiculously expensive to upgrade the GPUs in a laptop after the fact. Often times the top end nvidia card is around $800 on launch, sometimes higher. Especially if their is a significant performance jump with new hardware not just a refresh.

As for number 4, while this is accurate you can't always upgrade to anything you want. Since I had my p151HM with GTX 560m in it, it seems to trend that you can only reliably upgrade with full functionality within that product's GPU selection. And then sometimes 1 generation afterwards. I don't hear of too many successes beyond that, I don't think the HM series laptops will support the 700 or 800 series GPUs, at least officially anyways. Alienware has traditionally been a much easier upgrade. I know many people that bought M17x-R2s with Crossfire 5870s that are running crossfire 7970s now. Plenty of people with m18x laptops with sli 580s are running 680s or 780s now. That said, I am getting more and more frustrated by dell with the quality of their order and pre and post purchase support. Their technical support is awesome but they have really dropped the ball thus far this year for my company when it comes to customer service and order handling.
     
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4 - Based on my experience having an SDD with only Windows Embedded 8.1 and a few programs installed: if you get the 16GB of RAM, after installing Windows you'll likely have about 23GB of free space, and your programs fill some of that, you'll want the OS and programs on the SSD and everything else on the HDD. If you get the 32GB of RAM after installing Windows you'll only have about 7GB of free space, that's before any programs have been installed etc.

FYI, Windows reserves a portion of your main boot drive (in this case the 64 GB SSD) for the page file. I think the page file size is 1.5x your RAM installed, meaning 24GB for 16GB RAM and 48GB for 32GB RAM. I know, 48GB is absurd. I recommend disabling the page file entirely if you choose 32GB RAM or resizing the page file down to <8 GB if you choose 16GB RAM. Every GB is precious when you only have 64GB of capacity for your boot drive.

You will also want to disable your hibernation file if you don't hibernate your computer. The hibernation file is equal to your RAM installed, so 16GB RAM = 16GB hibernation file and so on. Hibernation is much more useful for hard drives than SSDs, so I definitely recommend disabling the hibernation file.
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that is seriously overpriced hardware ...

also, 1080p with that SLI set up is overkill.... ur paying preimum for things u wont even use/need

do u also need an i7? or 16 gb ram? kinda overkill for gaming only

For Ubersampling, of course.
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FYI, Windows reserves a portion of your main boot drive (in this case the 64 GB SSD) for the page file. I think the page file size is 1.5x your RAM installed, meaning 24GB for 16GB RAM and 48GB for 32GB RAM. I know, 48GB is absurd. I recommend disabling the page file entirely if you choose 32GB RAM or resizing the page file down to <8 GB if you choose 16GB RAM. Every GB is precious when you only have 64GB of capacity for your boot drive.

I'm already well aware of the page file and the numbers I gave reflect that. In my usage of Windows 8.1 the size of the page file has been pretty much equal to the amount of RAM installed by default and I have no reason to see why that would be any different here. I don't really see any issues with space unless he tries to put his games and data on the SSD. The real way to prevent these issues would be to get a better spec'd laptop.
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I'm already well aware of the page file and the numbers I gave reflect that. In my usage of Windows 8.1 the size of the page file has been pretty much equal to the amount of RAM installed by default and I have no reason to see why that would be any different here. I don't really see any issues with space unless he tries to put his games and data on the SSD. The real way to prevent these issues would be to get a better spec'd laptop.

The post was meant for the OP and to provide further detail to what you wrote.
Now he/she knows the root cause of why Windows is consuming so much disk space.
    
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