Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
LSB isn't followed all that strictly and only some versions of some distros are LSD certified, and in itself LSB isn't a standard that yields interoperability where it's needed (ABI), because RPM isn't the standard install executable fileformat. I don't understand why Linux distros aren't using ELF.
Why? It's a superior concept.
No it's not. One thing the FOSS community excels at, is conforming to open standards, and GNU/Linux needs a user orientation standard. GNU/Linux will forever be 1-2% of all desktop computers as long as there's no standard.
In an ideal world where every human is an adept software developer, that would be the norm. GNU/Linux has to adjust itself to reality.
Why not? Microsoft must go out of business, the sooner the better. We can have one standardised, mainstream GNU/Linux distro, and then you developers can do whatever you want and tinker around with your source code compilations and communities and whatever you prefer. It'll hardly hurt GNU/Linux if it becomes mainstream.
As for free/open Windows, there's already ReactOS, and as soon as it's stable, it'll be far more relevant in a month or two than GNU/Linux has ever been in 20+ years. That's how counterproductive the average quasi-elitist Linux geek's attitude is.
I hate to argue with a fool, cause people can't tell you apart, but i feel this post his filled with enough ignorance to warrant such a transgression.
I would argue that you really have no idea what you are saying. you mention that it should be using elf, the last time i checked linux does use the elf for binary applications. you obviously also have never installed a package from the wild on any of the modern linux systems, if you do not realize that most if not all package managers out there, have a installer. in ubuntu i click on a .deb file, it loads it up gdebi or software center, which walks me thru the installation process (if i'm feeling lazy that day, if not i'll use the command line install, dpkg). Or do you mean our packages should be self executable without the package manager installer?
what standard would you enforce onto all the distros? remember you are approaching an age old argument, that goes all the way back to when patrick looked at sls saw it had issues and said to himself "you know what, i can do better", or ian murdock woke up one morning turned on his computer and said to himself "you know what, there should be a stability standard when it comes to a distro, one that goes thru rigorious testing, patching, and slow to adopt new things, if it isn't broken why fix it, i would like to stay on the same software versions for at least 4 years, cause that is stability in my mind." or when the boys over at redhat got together in apartment some where, huddled around their 486's and said "you know what, we can make a buttload of money if we just standardized this crap". I would ask, which distro has gotten it right or is more right than the others...
again, you bring up the "ignorance is bliss" argument we've heard time and time again. I would not hand over a bulldozer to some one who has never used or was trained in one. I hope to god the pilot on my flight has been trained properly and isn't just some guy who woke up that morning deciding "i don't need no stinkin training to fly". why aren't people expected to even know the basics of their computer? how is that my problem they can't be bothered to learn? i struggled in 1998 to install redhat onto my computer, but i eventually did learn it, why isn't some one else expect to learn when i had to? not every tool/machine/etc out there in the world should be one button push simple, i just don't understand why OS's should be held to that absurd standard either. i would agree that there are things in linux that needs some fine polishing, but to any one who is willing to LEARN (if you didn't notice that is the keyword here) it, will be successful with it.
and for your last paragraph, what would we have to gain if MS went out of business? is some one upset about metro or the removal of the start menu? or does it go back further, mad that a 12 year old windows XP no longer being supported? or is it the DRM on xbox 1 keeping you up at night? you give no reason as to why, other than it must. pft, reactOS, i've seen better attempts in movies to thru flash animation to recreate windows. its been in development for a very long time, it probably will be for even longer. it will never be as good as windows, and it will always be 12 steps behind it. if it does make any waves if it is ever launched as stable, they will be minor. as to most people in the world, their computer comes with windows so it is already free.
to say i disagree with you, would be an understatement. I am a developer, some standards will work, while many of them are just some one's idea of what the right way to do something. like my brother says about opinions, i say about standards... I