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post #11 of 27
In that case......it doesn't make sense not to use it....

Your client will be happy with that machine.
It's plenty powerful enough to handle his work load.
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Have you given the option for a hackintosh? just wondering smile.gif
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Ok a few things, sorry if this was covered already.

PS is CPU, RAM, and I/O intensive and becoming more GPU as OpenGL gets used more. The 4770k or a Xeon with hyperthreading would be good (this may depend on if they utilize the threads or not). RAM you can use 16GB but 32GB may be warranted, you could setup a scratch drive in a RAM disk to make things really fast. Also i would not go with the crucial drive you listed, its got about half the write speed of other drives in that capacity range. A Samsung Evo or a Mushkin will give you writes of like 400-500+MB/s.

GPU Support
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq1.html

The GTX 750ti should be ok, but if they make heavy use of OpenGL features your gonna want a workstation class GPU.
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Have you given the option for a hackintosh? just wondering smile.gif

No OSX running on any computers I build sorry. redface.gif
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Ok a few things, sorry if this was covered already.

PS is CPU, RAM, and I/O intensive and becoming more GPU as OpenGL gets used more. The 4770k or a Xeon with hyperthreading would be good (this may depend on if they utilize the threads or not). RAM you can use 16GB but 32GB may be warranted, you could setup a scratch drive in a RAM disk to make things really fast. Also i would not go with the crucial drive you listed, its got about half the write speed of other drives in that capacity range. A Samsung Evo or a Mushkin will give you writes of like 400-500+MB/s.

GPU Support
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq1.html

The GTX 750ti should be ok, but if they make heavy use of OpenGL features your gonna want a workstation class GPU.

4770k is pretty cheap at Microcenter, and I play on giving the client a 4.4-4.5GHz overclock so that should boost things up a bit. 16GB of seems to be enough considering what the client is coming from. So I doubt 32GB is really necessary (especially considering the budget).

The Crucial M500 and the 840 Evo are the only SSD's I will put in my computers or anyone else. However unfortunately the client will not go over $1100 and going with an 840 Evo will do that. My M500 does 480 Reads / 300 Writes on average. I know the 840 Evo is a bit faster than that but I doubt the client will be disappointed having never used an SSD or even knowing what one was before I explained it to him. I'm sure the M500 will be more than enough.

As long as the 750 Ti is good enough on that end I'll be very happy with the machine as will the client.
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Darn! that wouldve been fun smile.gif
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post #16 of 27
I only mentioned 32GB of RAM because you could use a portion of that as a RAM Disk. Treating some of that space like a HDD/SDD for the project they are working on allowing them to read/write in the thousands of MB/s instead of hundreds. Unfortunately RAM is high priced right now.
post #17 of 27
I know you said that your client has a tight budget but I would check to see what you can get in xeon. For the mobo I would recommend Asus P9D-WS for Xeon.
I'm a big believer in workstation class hardware for pro work. I know it cost more but it will last longer also.
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Alright that's great to know because any more expensive of a video card and I'm going to break budget, he already doesn't want to go over $1100 as it is.
Now this is the thing, I told him I was going to overclock and after looking at some benchmarks it does seem that overclocking to around 4.5GHz tends to have positive benefits for these type of programs. Is a better GPU really necessary and 32GB of memory really that crucial? Coming from 12GB of memory, I'm sure the 16GB is going to seem like a god send along with the fact that its running at 2400MHz as opposed to 1333MHz.

Raid 0 is not in my interest, I really don't want to get a call hearing that the array isn't working.

As far as the GPU goes, I want to stick to nVidia. Looking at benchmarks though, the 7850 is a good amount faster than a 750 Ti. However my question is, is more than a 750 Ti really needed? This is mostly Photoshop and Illustrator we are talking about being used.

Also, OSX isn't needed this is going to be a Windows 8 computer.
It's mainly Illustrator and Photoshop from what he told me. I'm assuming simultaneous work is going to be done. Which is why I went with the i7, SSD, 16GB of 2400MHz memory. No need for HDD because he told me he uses all external hard drives for saving his files.

I'm for certain that Premier is not used at all.

With that said, does a 750 Ti cut it? I'm sure everything is very high quality he's a graphics designer.

He will be running two monitors as well.

 

If it's just for PS and AI then the build is good as it is. You'd want to take a look at this link before you take the plunge: http://sites.amd.com/us/business/software-partners/adobe/Pages/adobe-pro-gfx.aspx

 

If you can squeeze in a 760 or 760ti with 2 GB or more of GDDR or an AMD card with 2GB of GDDR the system will have more juice for a dual monitor setup.

 

If the 2400mhz DDR3 is the same price as 1866 or 1600 then it's a good deal as long as the board and CPU can take advantage of the speed. AFAIK only AMD APUs gain a measurable amount of advantage and 2400mhz doesn't really have a significant advantage against 1600mhz when it comes to Intel. (I might be wrong, if someone has articles/benches please link.)

 

16GB DDR3 is plenty but in production where speed/time is money the faster your client can get done the more work he can finish with 32GB of DDR3 and at least a 2GB GDDR GPU.

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I agree with those advocating more memory. If he is a serious user of Adobe CC, 32GB of RAM is really a necessity these days. It's only going to get more important as Adobe updates various modules to take advantage of higher end systems. RAM speed is addressed HERE and there are some other useful articles about Photoshop on this website as well (while I am a photographer 95% of my work is in Lightroom which is not nearly as resource intensive as Photoshop). One further question, are you going to provide ongoing support for this unit? I only ask because you are going to deliver it as an OC unit and this might require some ongoing care. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. You can also get by with a decent air cooler as well since the applications he is running are not going to heat the CPU up as gaming does.
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I only mentioned 32GB of RAM because you could use a portion of that as a RAM Disk. Treating some of that space like a HDD/SDD for the project they are working on allowing them to read/write in the thousands of MB/s instead of hundreds. Unfortunately RAM is high priced right now.

Okay but you realize that 32GB of memory will break budget right. The client bought his last computer for $1200 including peripherals and monitors. He's not very knowledgeable on computers and has no idea how powerful this system I'm building for him is going to be. Meaning, for $1100 with Windows, he's already cringing at the fact that he spent $1200 last time and got two monitors along with it.
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I know you said that your client has a tight budget but I would check to see what you can get in xeon. For the mobo I would recommend Asus P9D-WS for Xeon.
I'm a big believer in workstation class hardware for pro work. I know it cost more but it will last longer also.

The Asus P9D-WS is a $230 board, the board I have costs $80 from Microcenter after discounts. There's no way I can fit a work station board in. As far as Xeons go, the ones in budget will not be outperformed by an overclocked 4770k.

As much as I want the client to spend more money, and I tried to explain him work station class parts (and a work station budget). He is not convinced he needs to spend that much, and is not able to justify the cost of spending beyond what he probably should be spending for his business computer. As said in previous post, his last computer was $1200 with monitors and he keeps throwing that concept in my face not understanding that the person who built his computer last built him crap.

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If it's just for PS and AI then the build is good as it is. You'd want to take a look at this link before you take the plunge: http://sites.amd.com/us/business/software-partners/adobe/Pages/adobe-pro-gfx.aspx

If you can squeeze in a 760 or 760ti with 2 GB or more of GDDR or an AMD card with 2GB of GDDR the system will have more juice for a dual monitor setup.

If the 2400mhz DDR3 is the same price as 1866 or 1600 then it's a good deal as long as the board and CPU can take advantage of the speed. AFAIK only AMD APUs gain a measurable amount of advantage and 2400mhz doesn't really have a significant advantage against 1600mhz when it comes to Intel. (I might be wrong, if someone has articles/benches please link.)

16GB DDR3 is plenty but in production where speed/time is money the faster your client can get done the more work he can finish with 32GB of DDR3 and at least a 2GB GDDR GPU.

I took a look at the link, and it's all AMD related. I was under the impression the Adobe utilizes Cuda Cores?

As much as I want to go with a 760 I'm not sure I can convince him to spend that much money. The 750 Ti has 2GB of VRAM though.

I can link you a bunch of benches that prove higher speed memory is far superior than 1600 in many applications, but I'm not going to do that in this thread. Considering the price differences, optimal to go with higher speed memory for faster access times and bandwidth.

The GPU, 750 Ti has 2GB of GDDR5 . I don't think it will be possible to fit in 32GB with the budget, again, it's just not possible. The cheapest 32GB kit is still $300.
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I agree with those advocating more memory. If he is a serious user of Adobe CC, 32GB of RAM is really a necessity these days. It's only going to get more important as Adobe updates various modules to take advantage of higher end systems. RAM speed is addressed HERE and there are some other useful articles about Photoshop on this website as well (while I am a photographer 95% of my work is in Lightroom which is not nearly as resource intensive as Photoshop). One further question, are you going to provide ongoing support for this unit? I only ask because you are going to deliver it as an OC unit and this might require some ongoing care. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. You can also get by with a decent air cooler as well since the applications he is running are not going to heat the CPU up as gaming does.

Everyone keeps making suggestions about adding more memory ignoring the fact that the person has a near $1000 budget.

I plan on providing ongoing support, however as I've done with all my systems that I build that I overclock. I very rarely have to address them continually because I have a bullet proof method of testing stability and I also leave the overclock @ 4.4/4.5GHz and never go over that. This specific build will probably be closer to 4.3/4.4GHz to maintain bullet proof stability.

Considering the chip is a Haswell chip, and it will be overclocked I won't go with an Air Cooler because an Air Cooler that costs as much as the AIO unit will generally perform less and cost the same. If I cheap out and go with a Hyper 212, I might regret that later if there are heat issues with the Haswell processor. Also, I don't feel like installing an Air Cooler and if I need to perform maintenance or upgrades for him I will not feel like uninstalling it by any means compared to the easy maintenance with an AIO unit.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 3/19/14 at 3:47pm
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