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I am looking to build 3-4 office pcs sub $400 each. I want to get 2-3 life out of them. Heres what I got so far. I would really enjoy an MINI-ITX Case,

Main Components (CPU + Motherboard + RAM)
Intel Pentium G3220 Dual Core 3.0GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 3MB Cache Retail Haswell ASUS H81M-A uATX LGA1150 H81 DDR3 1PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 SATA3 USB3.0 HDMI Motherboard*
Kingston HyperX Black KHX16C9B1B/4 4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 DIMM Single Memory Module x2 for 8GB DDR3

Cases
Antec VSK-3000E MINI-TOWER mATX Case Black 2X5.25 1X3.5 EXT 2X3.5 USB3.0 Rear 92MM Fan No PSU + Seasonic SS-350ET 350W ATX12V 20/24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80PLUS 120mm Fan OEM*
or
Thermaltake V2 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black 3X5.25 6X3.5INT USB3.0 w/ 450W Power Supply

SSD
Crucial M500 CT120M500SSD1 2.5in 120GB SATA3 6BPS 7MM Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

What do you guys suggest, is the Intel Haswell cpu a good choice, or should I look amd? Also i'd like an MINI-ITX case to use an MINI-ITX board and no need for 5.25 or 3.25 spaces. I would use an SSD or an ssd on the systemboard. Im cheap and need really cheap builds.


For my ITX Selection
ASUS H81I-PLUS/CSM LGA1150 Mini ITX 2XSATA 6GB/S 2XSATA 3GB/S 1xPCIe16 Dual Channel Motherboard
Intel Pentium G3220 Dual Core 3.0GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 3MB Cache Retail Haswell
8GB DDR3
Crucial M500 CT120M500SSD1 2.5in 120GB SATA3 6BPS 7MM Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Cant find a good case/PSU for this?
post #2 of 21
I've personally had the experience that buying on-sale pre-built machines has lead to the lowest prices in that at budget. Your mileage, of course, will vary.
post #3 of 21
Yeah for that budget getting prebuilt on sale is probably the best bang for your buck, some even come with peripherals, and monitors. And that will add up if you just budget $300-400 for system alone.

So generally for low budget the best bet is prebuilt, for higher end it's more cost effective to build your own.
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post #4 of 21
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you saying to go after hp/Lenovo/Dell prebuild. I cant get those under $500 with these kind of specs.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by elec999 View Post

you saying to go after hp/Lenovo/Dell prebuild. I cant get those under $500 with these kind of specs.
Check third party sites (newegg) for Lenovo on sale. I've seen similar specs in your price range, or similar enough to make the upgrade (like SSD) worth the money to buy separately.
post #6 of 21
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I just confirmed my part selection: please let me know

Apex MI-008 mITX Case Glossy Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT Sfx 250W Front Audio USB
ASRock H81M-ITX LGA1150 1XPCIE2.0X16 DDR3 1600 2XSATA3 1xeSATA 2XUSB3.0 6XUSB2.0 Motherboard
Intel Pentium G3220 Dual Core 3.0GHZ Processor LGA1150 Haswell 3MB Cache Retail
ADATA Xpg V1.0 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 2 X 4GB Dual Channel Memory Kit Black
PNY XLR8 SSD9SC120GMDF-RB 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal SSD Drive 500MB/S Read 450MB/S Write

What you guys think?
post #7 of 21
that processor supports up to ddr3 1333
similar build for $329
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3gyU1
post #8 of 21
I stick these: http://www.mini-box.com/M350-enclosure-with-picoPSU-80-and-60W-adapter

Where we can run things offline; mostly around CNC mills and lathes.

They survive quite well in a dirty environment, despite not having proper filtering. I usually mount them on DIN rails vertically. The 80W PicoPSU/60W Adapter is plenty for what you are looking at. The case was initially envisioned to be used with Intel Atoms and lower-power CPUs but works well enough with more powerful components.

The last one I built had something like this:

ASRock H81M-ITX
Intel Pentium G3220
Crucial 2x4GB 1333
Crucial M500 120GB
Mini-Box M350 with 80W PicoPSU and 60W Adapter

The whole system was around $350.

P.S. Make sure you get the 4-pin power cable too: http://www.mini-box.com/4-Pin-P4-Mini-Power-Cable
The USB header and front panel connectors on the H81M-ITX are close enough to the front of the case that you do not need extensions. I use this (cheap) CPU cooler by default to better clear the SSD and/or HDD. Not sure if it was necessary with the H81M-ITX. Some motherboards may need the stock Intel cooler trimmed a bit to fit the SSD.



Another path: Intel NUC

We have a single first-Gen Ivy-Bridge i3 NUC here with a 120GB mSATA Crucial M500 and 8GB of ram. I has been a pretty good system for the past year or so. Generic office work, spreadsheets, SAP, you know. That i3 (3217U) is about as powerful as a high-end laptop Core 2 Duo (like the T9500).

Looks like you can find the i3 3217U Thunderbolt model for "cheap" now at ~$200:

Newegg - currently out of stock.
Amazon

Or a Gigabyte BRIX with a somewhat comparably clocked Ivy-Bridge Celeron for ~$170:

Newegg - currently out of stock.

Still needs at least $140 in RAM and SSD to make a system, however. And a C5 "Clover-leaf" power cord for the Intel. Wireless is optional.

A new system would also be around $350.

-Note that you would need HDMI or Display-port capable monitors or adapters to convert to DVI/VGA.
Edited by M125 - 3/26/14 at 1:22pm
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Apex MI-008 mITX Case Glossy Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT Sfx 250W Front Audio USB

The PSU included with that case is not very good quality.

What about cost of operating system? Keyboard/mouse? Monitor?

Who provides the support for these systems? Is warranty important to the business?

What actual software will be used? What tasks?

Custom built can work for some businesses, but it is not always the best answer.
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Who provides the support for these systems? Is warranty important to the business?
Custom built can work for some businesses, but it is not always the best answer.

Exactly the right thing to ask. Is this an office you are going to be at five days a week, available for tech support? Or is there a person there responsible for systems administration/maintenance? I would not sell a bunch of these systems to a third party asking for a <10 PC office setup. Your best bet in this case would be with one of the big names like Dell, HP or Lenovo. You don't want to get stuck with a helpless customer who wants constant system support for next to nothing.

If you are adding to an existing network or replacing a few systems in a larger network, I see little problem with custom built as long as you have a maintenance plan and, if the systems themselves are going to be on a corporate network, that they are compatible with corporate images, meet corporate standards for your domain/Active Directory, and are capable of running all software required to be on the network.

A 2-3 year service life is not exactly ambitious. biggrin.gif We have a few systems pushing 8 years going strong with the only change being an SSD when the HDD dies. Core 2 Duos are still "good enough" for most generic office work.
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