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All games I tried using these drivers are just unplayable to me. ESPECIALLY NFS Rivals. I bought my R9 290X the day it came out, excited with all the bells and whistles that were announced (mantle, true audio etc...) and now, as soon as a driver allows us to use these technologies, games become unplayable and I'm not gonna talk about the crashes that occur when browsing with java/flash content sometimes and the HDMI/EDID big mouse cursor problem.
Don't get me wrong, games run well with 13.30 RC3 here but I just feel disappointed to have to rely on a 4 month old driver with a 6 month old flagship video card. I've been buying ATI/AMD cards for years and expect better support from them.

no crashes here. no big mouse cursor problem either. i do have 2 HDDs imaged one with 13.11 and the other this driver. i just wanrt to play BF4 using mantle. the only way i can with the 290 and the i7 stock ht off.

can't let go of 13.11 for benching, which i still do to help others compare their 290s.

crashes in flash content? does that include you tube videos? if so, then disable hardware acceleration (HA) might fix that. strange, though, mine works even if HA is enabled.

you know what i use to uninstall the driver when upgrading? the newer driver. i don't go to safe mode. i don't use driver sweeper crap and so on . . .
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post #132 of 176
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This will most likely be my last Amd video card, and I have had a lot of patience up until now. I went 5870 x2 -> 7970 x2 -> 290 x2 and this has been a complete disaster. I miss my 7970's and wish I never dumped 1200 bucks including water into these POS's.

Every new product need some time to get fixed errors. For HD 7000s it took 2 years due new GCN architecture. For R9-290 it should took much less time. If you believe that Nvidia will not have those trouble you are terribly mistaken. Before I purchased my HD 7870 i used to buy "mature" products. For example i purchased HD 5850 when it was more than one year on market, while Vliiw architecture was used on previous generation of the card.

HD 7000 series is now mature, and every re-branded card (such as R9-280) is also a mature product. If you are puchasing the newest possible you should be aware that it will take some time until the drivers will be fixed.
post #133 of 176
I gave today 14.3 last chance, i really wanted to use them. I did a fresh installation of Windows, installed all the necessary updates and drivers. I wanted to play Dragon Age Origins and Cod Ghosts and surprise ... stuttering persists. These were the last two games that I had to check. At 15 ~ tested titles, stuttering occurred in 14 of them.
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Every new product need some time to get fixed errors. For HD 7000s it took 2 years due new GCN architecture. For R9-290 it should took much less time. If you believe that Nvidia will not have those trouble you are terribly mistaken. Before I purchased my HD 7870 i used to buy "mature" products. For example i purchased HD 5850 when it was more than one year on market, while Vliiw architecture was used on previous generation of the card.

HD 7000 series is now mature, and every re-branded card (such as R9-280) is also a mature product. If you are puchasing the newest possible you should be aware that it will take some time until the drivers will be fixed.

Half a year from the release of R9 290 is sufficient time to require decent working drivers. And yes, Mantle really works well with this driver, but they screw up everything other's like Power Tune and stuttering. Especially to the 13.12 everything worked well yet. It is worrying that AMD has not even officially confirmed these problems (like example.. Yes, we confirm that problem with stuttering and power control occur, and we will fix this ASAP in next driver release). People who bought expensive high end cards can be dissapointed. Until then I can only assume that someone is working on it.

Of course it is not directed to Warsam71, he's doing a great job here and he is always ready to help ;-)
post #134 of 176
maybe problem is mantle... maybe they transfered few people from catalyst team to mantle and they dont simply have enough manpower...

i have R9 290x with stutter issue with vsync enabled on single gpu too, warthunder has flickering LOD textures, HD6670 was fine...

i didnt expected such issues with single GPU, i understand it on my old HD 3870x2/HD4870x2 back then, but not on single r9 290x.

Its also interesting what are AMD testers doing because they should noticed this issue.

next week i will try to test more games (got around 270 games on steam so...)
post #135 of 176
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Hello everyone,

I need your help smile.gif

To those of you who are experiencing the stutter issue; could you please send me a PM with your dxdiag and your system information attached?

I know you are very savvy PC users, and you’re probably familiar with the steps below, but just in case:

To get your dxdiag information:

Click on “Start” and type "dxdiag" in the “Run” (a.k.a. “Search programs and files”) field and press enter
Click on "Save All Information..." button in the DirectX Diagnostic Tool window
Click on “Save” to save the information as a text file (.txt) on your desktop.
(Note you can save the file anywhere you like. But I kindly ask you to rename the file to include your name, for example JohnDoe_DxDiag.txt)

To get your system information:

Click on “Start” and type “cmd” in the “Run” field
At the prompt (in the black window that pops-up), type: systeminfo>systeminfo.txt
The above will pull your system information and automatically save it as a text file on your hard drive, the default location is probably: C:\Users
(Similar to the dxdiag file name, please rename this file to include your name)

Once you have both txt files you can insert them in the PM.

I thank you very much for your comments/feedback and more importantly for your patience
Edited by Warsam71 - 4/8/14 at 4:39pm
post #136 of 176
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Well, on my PC all of them stutter :/ But thanks for the info. At least on Bioshock Infinite we have the same issues and we both have r9 290.

Yeah. It looks like its related only to r9 290/x.

i switched back to 14.3 from 13.11 and played C3 both SP and MP - no stutter here just like before.

Update: PS2 is smooth. I'll try C2 and possibly more games tonite.
Edited by rdr09 - 4/9/14 at 9:33am
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To Warsam71:

Regarding DX there are two possible factors.

a) DirectX managed code
This will not be active on Windows Vista or Windows 7 until you manually re-install DX9 Redistributable. I know it since i do betatests of one game which does not even run on Win V/7 if DX9 is not re-installed manually.

Catalyst is certainly bound to .net and DX managed code as well. It does not seem to have trouble when not present, but performance wise there can be differences.

b) DX specification update
Originally intended only for Win 8 and newer. Later was released in form of windows patch even for Vista and Win7...

As you surely know, Catalyst package contain .net 4.5.1 (correct me if I am wrong), but not DirectX. Most users even dont see any reason why to install this very very very old package on Win Vista and later... From my experience it makes things to run smoother.
post #138 of 176
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To Warsam71:

Regarding DX there are two possible factors.

a) DirectX managed code
This will not be active on Windows Vista or Windows 7 until you manually re-install DX9 Redistributable. I know it since i do betatests of one game which does not even run on Win V/7 if DX9 is not re-installed manually.

Catalyst is certainly bound to .net and DX managed code as well. It does not seem to have trouble when not present, but performance wise there can be differences.

b) DX specification update
Originally intended only for Win 8 and newer. Later was released in form of windows patch even for Vista and Win7...

As you surely know, Catalyst package contain .net 4.5.1 (correct me if I am wrong), but not DirectX. Most users even dont see any reason why to install this very very very old package on Win Vista and later... From my experience it makes things to run smoother.

I always run DXwebsetup when I install Windows, so all DX libraries are up to date. So, unfortunately, you're wrong.

ps. I'm sitting on the Windows 8.1 Pro x64

@Warsam71
Check your PM, i send you the files you asked for.
Edited by Witwicky - 4/9/14 at 5:56am
post #139 of 176
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I always run DXwebsetup when I install Windows, so all DX libraries are up to date. So, unfortunately, you're wrong.

ps. I'm sitting on the Windows 8.1 Pro x64
.

I use latest redistributable package (june 2010), not DXwebsetup. Link:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109

I dont know how much they differ, but this one certainly add more files.
Edited by Offler - 4/9/14 at 7:00am
post #140 of 176
@Offler
I tried your package from the link. No difference, still stutter as before. Thanks anyway for trying to help.

And something interesting, stutter is also with this driver
http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/amd_catalyst_13_30_beta_(13_300_january_8).html

So problem doesnt start with 14.x family but since 13.30 (Kaveri Beta)
those d3d packages are screwed (including nont working Power Target)
9.14.10.1009 - 13.30
9.14.10.01017 - the same package for 14.1,14.2.14.3

these are good
9.14.10.01001 - the same package for 13.11 beta and 13.12 whql
If we assume that the problem affects only R9 290, then the oldest good drivers are 13.11 beta v6, because earlier releases just doesn't support Hawaii yet).

I'm almost sure the D3D package since 13.30 are responsible for these problems.
Edited by Witwicky - 4/9/14 at 7:50am
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