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yeah i would definitely get a 15.6 > 17. i was just wondering if the graphics card would be less stressed being on a smaller screen, which it is a little bit, since the ppi. Less settings you have to use in order to get the visual quality you want.

the 15 inch is definitely one of the options id go with. i just have to read some more. figure out how strong the hd graphics are on the surface pro 2 cuz if it can play games on low settings, idc about the graphics vs that portability since my main rig at home can handle that stuff.

Usually i play multiplayer games on my main rig, but i have tons of single player games that i would like to play but i tend not to because im hooked on multiplayer games whenever possible to play them.

If i could play some single player games like AC:Black flag or saints row or batman origins, sleeping dogs, the walking dead on the lowest settings at a playable frame rate on the surface 2, then id probably go with that. The thing is, i don't know how strong HD graphics are.

how much is it in your area? quick look tells me its more expensive than my own laptop mad.gif
    
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the surface 2 is like 800 dollars i think with 64gigs. it has an sd slot so i could add more space. i dont need to have a bunch of games loaded at once either. with the keyboard it will be 900 dollars at least.
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yeah i would definitely get a 15.6 > 17. i was just wondering if the graphics card would be less stressed being on a smaller screen, which it is a little bit, since the ppi. Less settings you have to use in order to get the visual quality you want.

the 15 inch is definitely one of the options id go with. i just have to read some more. figure out how strong the hd graphics are on the surface pro 2 cuz if it can play games on low settings, idc about the graphics vs that portability since my main rig at home can handle that stuff.

Usually i play multiplayer games on my main rig, but i have tons of single player games that i would like to play but i tend not to because im hooked on multiplayer games whenever possible to play them.

If i could play some single player games like AC:Black flag or saints row or batman origins, sleeping dogs, the walking dead on the lowest settings at a playable frame rate on the surface 2, then id probably go with that. The thing is, i don't know how strong HD graphics are.

Screen resolution is the determining factor for performance, not PPI. a 15.6" or 17" or 50" screen will yield the same performance at 1080p. I also don't know how well the integrated graphics in a surface pro would handle the games you mentioned.

I would steer clear of MSI. I'm not a fan of the single heatpipe to cool the CPU and GPU. I'm not a particular fan of their styling, and for the price they ask for their laptops i feel like it should have a better cooling system. I also believe that upgrading parts in it voids the warranty.


I know several of the Sagers notebooks with upgradeable GPUs have an individual heatsink for the CPU and another for the GPU or GPUs. I believe the 17" units use a copper heatsink for the CPU and GPU, where the 15" units do not? I remember reading this the other day and had never heard it before. This is not to say that Sager is without fault. I know the laptops can struggle with cooling higher end GPUs (especially where the 780, and 880m are essentially clockspeed bumps of the 680m). I would also like to add that alienware uses dedicated heatsinks and fans for both the CPU and GPU (or GPUs)

Receiver is right, lenovo offers good performance per dollar, but I don't like SLI in a 15" notebook. The cards they SLI are not officially supported by nvidia for SLI either. So I would think the drivers would only be available via Lenovo, Receiver would be able to answer this. Also, I believe his experience is different, but I have heard of overheating issues in them as well.


As for waiting or not... the 800 series has been released to Clevo notebooks, Asus and MSI.

Clevo is an OEM, and is purchased, packaged and sold under different names IE Sager, Mythlogic, Malibal, LPC Digital, Eurocom, Origin, Etc... MSI also sells OEM notebooks vendors to sell under their name as well. I also thinkg Asus has their hands on the 800m series, but they are due out the end of the month I believe.

I would be hesitant to spend $1300 on a 770m gpu right now, I'm pretty sure the new GTX 860m is about as fast as the 770m, for a lot less money, especially when equipped in a sager. Be careful though nvidia played some games:

The 840m, 850m and 860m (2gb) soldered cards appear to be maxwell GPUs. these are the new hardware, should run cooler, and perform very well.

The 860m MXM slot card (4gb), 870m and 880m all appear to be rebadged 700 series GPUs, which were rebadged 600 series GPUs all with slight performance increases. The true Maxwell GPUs are speculated to be out as early as June or as late as October/November, maybe later.

Nvidia and others claim that the 2gb maxwell and 4gb kepler 860m are tuned to perform the same, but I haven't found benchmarks yet proving this myself.

I have been trying to decide on whether to go with an 860m or the 870m laptop. I really like the idea of buying the maxwell 860m but it limits me to notebooks with single heatpipe designs. But if you're casually gaming this might be the way to go, you will be able to get the new hardware, good performance, and save some money. I know the previous model with the 765m in it had some issues with fan profiles and temps, but the new maxwell 860m should run a lot cooler I would think.

I would look at the following Sager (clevo) machines:

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7358-clevo-w350ss-eta-march-p-6991.html 15.6" with 860m

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7378-clevo-w370ss-eta-march-p-6990.html 17.3" with 860m

http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np7338-clevo-w230ss-eta-march-p-6992.html 13.3" with 860m

take a look around xoticpc, I really have liked them as a sager reseller, and they have great customer service for me thus far. They also have several sagers with MXM type cards
     
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Except the part where 1080p looks like crap at 50"?

I get my drivers from the same place everyone else does, nvidia. So I'm not sure where you got that information from but its bullocks to say the least. Overheating is pretty hard to do as this machine is notorious for being locked down and will throttle back instantly. Anyone saying otherwise would likely need a repaste or is using throttlestop to force performance over temperatures.

Besides, kind of need to know where he is buying from (country) as the y510p model isnt worth purchasing at this time anyways, which is why I haven't recommended it
    
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Except the part where 1080p looks like crap at 50"?

I get my drivers from the same place everyone else does, nvidia. So I'm not sure where you got that information from but its bullocks to say the least. Overheating is pretty hard to do as this machine is notorious for being locked down and will throttle back instantly. Anyone saying otherwise would likely need a repaste or is using throttlestop to force performance over temperatures.

Besides, kind of need to know where he is buying from (country) as the y510p model isnt worth purchasing at this time anyways, which is why I haven't recommended it

I didnt say anything about image quality, though Ive been watching blurays in 1080p on a 51" tv for a couple years now... pretty happy with it...

That's why I asked about the drivers, I figured you would respond thumb.gif I know in the past nvidia didnt provide mobile drivers. I have also read that the model of GPU lenovo uses in SLI is not on the list of supported SLI capable cards, so I thought maybe you would have to get the drivers direct, but again, that's why I directed it at you.


I should have said running hot, more than overheating. thing is good to know that it throttles, I don't have one, but I did look into one of the Y510ps before quickly and that is what I came away with. Its good to hear they have built in protection.

A country would be useful to help better recommend products. Novacore, where are you from?
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thanks for the info. ill be buying from the united states. Lol the things you stated are the reason its taking me forever to find a proper laptop. i hate when they rehash stuff.
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Except the part where 1080p looks like crap at 50"?

I get my drivers from the same place everyone else does, nvidia. So I'm not sure where you got that information from but its bullocks to say the least. Overheating is pretty hard to do as this machine is notorious for being locked down and will throttle back instantly. Anyone saying otherwise would likely need a repaste or is using throttlestop to force performance over temperatures.

Besides, kind of need to know where he is buying from (country) as the y510p model isnt worth purchasing at this time anyways, which is why I haven't recommended it

so i was looking at lenovo and its like 800 dollars for a laptop with 765m. i was wondering though about the wireless connectivity issues people seem to have... It seems to be a real widespread problem. Do you know anything about that? i know you say its not really worth it at this time, so do u know if there will be new models of the lenovo since the release of the 800m series?
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so i was looking at lenovo and its like 800 dollars for a laptop with 765m. i was wondering though about the wireless connectivity issues people seem to have... It seems to be a real widespread problem. Do you know anything about that? i know you say its not really worth it at this time, so do u know if there will be new models of the lenovo since the release of the 800m series?

Are you sure the lenovo has a 765m in it? I thought the best you could get was a 755m in SLi in the Y510p.

I know the y510p can be had for around $850 on newegg and amazon with a dual core processor, 8gb ram and 1tb hdd, with the SLi 755s. But I don't recall seeing one with 765s.
     
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Are you sure the lenovo has a 765m in it? I thought the best you could get was a 755m in SLi in the Y510p.

I know the y510p can be had for around $850 on newegg and amazon with a dual core processor, 8gb ram and 1tb hdd, with the SLi 755s. But I don't recall seeing one with 765s.

This^. Are you looking at a y580 or some other variant?

The wireless issue is linked to the Intel WiFi card the 2230, stick with the 7260N or AC and your golden.

I have the 7260N and haven't had a single issue but first lets figure out what your looking at
    
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Skimming through the thread here it sounds like the GIGABYTE P34G v2 would be right up your alley that was just announced/released less than a day ago, can find info here: Linky

The original V1 had an MSRP of $1400 and sold for less than that, I couldn't find a price but it should be in line with that same pricing model

I'm also a fan of some Sager notebooks as well, no experience with Clevo but they're popular as well

Edit: A 15.6" version of the gigabyte is sure to follow as well
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