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I have never used a number pad in my life. Why in the world would I want one?

Besides that it's smaller and small = cute.

Also portability and desk space.

Kind of a pointless thread as the OP has pointed out all the reasons to use a TKL.
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While I have [had] a variety of keyboards...
-Model M
-AT101W
-RK-9000 MX Blues
-Ducky Year of the Rabbit MX Blacks (RIP)
-Ducky 1087XM Green Alps clone

The Ducky 1087XM is the only TKL board I have had. In almost every circumstance, I prefer one of the larger boards; not because I prefer the switches over the alps clones, but because I enter a lot of numerical data. Therefore, the number pad is valuable to me most of the time.

That said, there are times when I love having the TKL. For example, when I visit someone's home for a few days, and am not sure about what kind of desk space I am going to be allotted with, my Macbook Air, mouse, and Ducky all fit easily into a bag and onto almost any desk, because the board is roughly the same width of the laptop. Therefore, portability becomes a huge bonus for me.

And sometimes I just like typing on the green alps clones. It's a very interesting switch.
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post #33 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by newchemicals View Post

I'm surprised you are not looking for the model M SSK. Sadly, old school IBM ones go for big bucks and Unicomp made some demos but never released an SSK.

I got my hands on a model M and I love it, I can see why people really like them.

A what now?

I all ready have a model M and love and adore it, why do i need another? I got what I wanted. 104 keys included.
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Originally Posted by FredgHar View Post

Only hope is that razer put some effort for quality check and increases standards.

They are... They specifically stated they are using closer standards than cherry in their switch production.
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Originally Posted by Amperial View Post

Sorry for the Razer bashing.. though.

Would be typical for Razer using cheap quality and advertising it as innovative gaming stuff.
Good old image of having terribad build quality.

It's best to stop assuming and look at their more recent exploits and actually listen to what they have to say.
People complained and made a huge fuss over the razer Onza having a bad quality issue, so what did they do with their new controller that successed it? They tightened things up, uses higher quality parts and made a far better more durable product that was worth buying. Yet does anyone care? (Besides me) NOPE! SCREW RAZER.
Age old myths do not apply,

I want to try razer's new keyboard and switch, but change it up with the TKL version, because I've never used a TKL before. I want to personally see if they've improved before making a judgement.
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Originally Posted by NewHighScore View Post

I have never used a number pad in my life. Why in the world would I want one?

Perhapse you don't but some people do. I use a numeric pad more than I realized. Some people like having all their buttons present.
Edited by FranBunnyFFXII - 3/20/14 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by FranBunnyFFXII View Post

Perhapse you don't but some people do. I use a numeric pad more than I realized. Some people like having all their buttons present.

I understand some people do but the OP is asking why TKL and I'm simply explaining... that is the major reason why I went with TKL.
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Originally Posted by FranBunnyFFXII View Post

A what now?

I all ready have a model M and love and adore it, why do i need another? I got what I wanted. 104 keys included.
They are... They specifically stated they are using closer standards than cherry in their switch production.
It's best to stop assuming and look at their more recent exploits and actually listen to what they have to say.
People complained and made a huge fuss over the razer Onza having a bad quality issue, so what did they do with their new controller that successed it? They tightened things up, uses higher quality parts and made a far better more durable product that was worth buying. Yet does anyone care? (Besides me) NOPE! SCREW RAZER.
Age old myths do not apply,

I want to try razer's new keyboard and switch, but change it up with the TKL version, because I've never used a TKL before. I want to personally see if they've improved before making a judgement.
Perhapse you don't but some people do. I use a numeric pad more than I realized. Some people like having all their buttons present.

As i said, who knows.
My DA 2013 died after 1 year.

So well if the switches are just rebranded Kailh ones than you can be sceptical especially due to previous quality complaints from their customers.
For now it stays a marketing brainwash until they proof otherwise.

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"People complained and made a huge fuss over the razer Onza having a bad quality issue, so what did they do with their new controller that successed it?"

After onza fail razer was like " buy it or not we dont care" ant they didnt care for this failure - not like mad catz who at least with their mlg pro tried to fix problem as much as they could. So ok, people who bough sabertooth(which is not big succes in my opinion, it's good but not ass-kicking) are probably happy, but what with people who lost they money on onzas?(and nerves aswell).

"They are... They specifically stated they are using closer standards than cherry in their switch production"

Oh and you believe them?smile.gif Lovely, it's admirable they got such fan base

I don't say they are bad, but razer is known for not covering or compensating their failures - razer mamba(horrible issues with sensor, same naga epic), onza mentioned earlier and probably many more.

Im waiting for this keyboard to see if they are worth it, but truth is they decided to drop cherrys for cheaper kalih while keeping price... so trust me, it's only about money and make them as much for as less as possible. Marketing allways wins in this case and they are, well - best at it.
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Originally Posted by FredgHar View Post

"People complained and made a huge fuss over the razer Onza having a bad quality issue, so what did they do with their new controller that successed it?"

After onza fail razer was like " buy it or not we dont care" ant they didnt gave a shiet for this failure - not like mad catz who at least with their mlg pro tried to fix problem as much as they could. So ok, people who bough sabertooth(which is not big succes in my opinion, it's good but not ass-kicking) are probably happy, but what with people who lost they money on onzas?(and nerves aswell).

"They are... They specifically stated they are using closer standards than cherry in their switch production"

Oh and you believe them?smile.gif Lovely, it's admirable they got such fan base

I don't say they are bad, but razer is known for not covering or compensating their failures - razer mamba(horrible issues with sensor, same naga epic), onza mentioned earlier and probably many more.

Im waiting for this keyboard to see if they are worth it, but truth is they decided to drop cherrys for cheaper kalih while keeping price... so trust me, it's only about money and make them as much for as less as possible. Marketing allways wins in this case and they are, well - best at it.

I have no issues with sensors in my naga epic. I've been using a naga epic for 2 years now. Infact I own more than just a naga epic,(total of 5 naga's) and none of them have sensor issues.
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The only explanation for me is that you are not aware of this issues, and what you just wrote prove you razer fanboy:P nothing bad - im personally CM Storm fanboy.


This sensor might be good for someone who's playing only from time to time or single player games. But it's really something out of league of horribleness in matter of comfort of working/playing. Just try deathadder/abyssus and u will see difference(given only razer, since you like it:))

The only worst sensor i s mambas' its same/newer version-they tried to "fix" some issues making it only worse....

When i moved from mad catz rat 7 which i used for two years to cm storm havoc it was like heaven and earth. Until i didn't switch to decent mouse tho i was rejecting "sensor issues" just like you. I just get used to them and didnt realized them

@ sorry I didnt realize you are a woman

So i have to fix fanboy with fangirl smile.gif
Edited by FredgHar - 3/20/14 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by zigziglar View Post

I heard on the grapevine that Ducky, among others, were contemplating releasing a LEFT hand TKL. Honestly, they should have made left side based home key TKL boards a million years ago. If these are supposed be enthusiast boards, then they should know that the more that we can get down with our left hand, the better! Imagine being able to access the home keys or arrows as additional hotkeys in games ... Also, from an ergonomics standpoint, a left oriented home key TKL would narrow the gap to the mouse even further!

Looks like Vortex are onboard too.


I love the idea of this as a left hander, but i've used the mouse in my right hand for so long it would be like learning it all over again. Same with drums and same with driving on the left hand side.
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The only explanation for me is that you are not aware of this issues, and what you just wrote prove you razer fanboy:P nothing bad - im personally CM Storm fanboy.


This sensor might be good for someone who's playing only from time to time or single player games. But it's really something out of league of horribleness in matter of comfort of working/playing. Just try deathadder/abyssus and u will see difference(given only razer, since you like it:))

The only worst sensor i s mambas' its same/newer version-they tried to "fix" some issues making it only worse....

When i moved from mad catz rat 7 which i used for two years to cm storm havoc it was like heaven and earth. Until i didn't switch to decent mouse tho i was rejecting "sensor issues" just like you. I just get used to them and didnt realized them

@ sorry I didnt realize you are a woman

So i have to fix fanboy with fangirl smile.gif

Thats funny...


I owned a Deathadder, and I have a abyssus, and I play at a hardcore level in MMORPGs(multiple world firsts), and I play MOBAs(once held the record for most played matches as Shyvana), I also play FPS lightly.

The razer naga epic with the claw grip is the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. The absyssus and deathadder are both uncomfortable.
Now if you're basing your opinion of the sensor in the naga epic with the issues associated with the RAT7. you should know that the RAT7's issues were not with it's sensor, but instead the firmware of the mouse. the rat7 had dynamic polling(bad), and you couldn't turn off acceleration. 2 problems not present in the naga series mice. In the naga mice you can turn off or set your own adjustment to the acceleration, you can also turn the pooling to a static 1000hz polling rate.
The RAT7 issues werent related to the sensor, but the mouse itself, which is GOD AWFUL.

and you assume things of people you shouldn't. I don't get "used" to things. I use many different DPI setting for different games.
Dota2 and LoL 5600, Battlefield3 and TitanFall 3500, WildStar, 4500DPI, TERA, 4100 DPI. I'm ultra sensitive to minor changes in mouse behavior.

I'm a hardcore gamer, I spend more time gaming than 90% of the user base here.
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