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post #41 of 54
Thats good to hear we have such person here:) Lets start one by one:


"Thats funny...



The razer naga epic with the claw grip is the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. The absyssus and deathadder are both uncomfortable.
In comfort i meant not by how you hold mouse, i used wrong word here maybe... I meant how sensor and mouse behave. Not how comfortable it is to hold it. That's personal preference and i never judge such things

Now if you're basing your opinion of the sensor in the naga epic with the issues associated with the RAT7. you should know that the RAT7's issues were not with it's sensor, but instead the firmware of the mouse. the rat7 had dynamic polling(bad), and you couldn't turn off acceleration. 2 problems not present in the naga series mice. In the naga mice you can turn off or set your own adjustment to the acceleration, you can also turn the pooling to a static 1000hz polling rate.
The RAT7 issues werent related to the sensor, but the mouse itself, which is GOD AWFUL.
Hmmm.... part of issues i was talking about were:
- This sensor is awfully picky on any even tiniest particles on mousepad. I had to clean my goliathus almost everyday and blowing air on it few times a day otherwise sensor was going crazy. I tested it with same pad as you have now if i've seen correctly on one of your YT movies - GW2 ss. Also i tried other mouses from this series - rat 5, 9 and MMO 7. All of them behaved same. Ill just notice i have newere revision of those mouses(rat) that had much lover failure rate and should work better.
- Since acceleration and dynamic pooling have some part in it(precision) i have to admit your point. I didnt know you can turn it off in naga since im avoiding synapse like fire and used it only in few products like orbweaver. However overall mouse accuracy was so bad i was unable to play Q3 on same level as on other mouses. It;'s not like im pro or something, but my accuracy dropped around 20% than earlier(i was using some stock a4 tech before dont even know if it had pixart or even worse sensor, it was long ago). So i dropped Q3 entirely.
- I didn't meant to "associeate" rat with naga - just compared to give overall idea, because there are some similarities.

Also pooling rate at 1000Hz is never constant to my knowledge, that's why most players using less values so mice is behaving always same. So i have to disagree in using this argument here.
About acceleration in naga epic you can turn it off- I have to belive on word since as I mentioned earlier I didn't program it in synapse or overlooked it somehow...
but in mamba unfortunately they made "dynamic" acceleration making it most horrible mouse on market - and as far as i know you cant turn it off. It's just how they "fixed" oversensitiveness of this sensor...


and you assume things of people you shouldn't. I don't get "used" to things. I use many different DPI setting for different games.
Dota2 and LoL 5600, Battlefield3 and TitanFall 3500, WildStar, 4500DPI, TERA, 4100 DPI. I'm ultra sensitive to minor changes in mouse behavior.


I'm a hardcore gamer, I spend more time gaming than 90% of the user base here.
Based on you whole post and assuming what you wrote is real - I have another explanation. You are good player, with above average motoric and perception skills- so same as pro players you can play very good on anything(unless its really like broken thing). So my assumption before was wrong because i had not enough data. Now i have new assumption and I'll stick to it:P


"I owned a Deathadder, and I have a abyssus, and I play at a hardcore level in MMORPGs(multiple world firsts), and I play MOBAs(once held the record for most played matches as Shyvana), I also play FPS lightly."
Thats's funny.... For that 2 years I used my rat i was playing WOW smile.gif Unfortunately I'm n00b compared to you - but i played druid healer on level that allowed me to join many good raid and was warmly welcomed - so in short i was pretty good smile.gif And i have to admit - this mouse had enough buttons for me, and sensor performance was more than enough for that type of game. Well - in MMORPG for what mouse truly is - to use buttons and to look/move around .You don't need precision since you targeting with macros (at least at my level I did so and I've heard it's standard for good players) And AOoE spells don't require this much of accuracy.

In MOBA was worst unfortunately. I had serious issues to pinpoint targets accurately with rat especially when got messy in TF. Even last hitting crowded creeps was pretty hard.

BTW if you are really this good why wont u try wired decent mouse and try to be even better?smile.gif Or you happy with what you achieved already? Just asking - I'm simply wondering what person, which is good in games thinks about it at this point. Or you simply don't believe changing into such gear will matter? You wrote you tried already deathadder for example, but was uncomfortable so I'm assuming you dropped using it pretty fast. maybe try mouse with good sensor and ergonomic shape similar to naga then? I wonder what progress could you do then:)
post #42 of 54
http://gaming.thedigitalfix.com/content/id/1620/razer-naga-hex-mouse-review.html
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Even the most dedicated MOBA player will at times move on to less familiar turf, so we play tested the Naga Hex with the remake of the classic FPS Painkiller H&D, a game known for its intense speed and crazy Quake-like instant reaction requirements and used in many competitive tournaments worldwide. Perhaps the perfect game to put a mouse through its paces. Again, instantly we saw improvement in performance compared to a low-end mouse.
last post and im done discussing this.
I don't have any issues with sensor tracking with my naga epic, hex, or 2012. I use a QcK gw2 mouse pad and i've had 5 naga mice(2 of which I broke by accident, not a failure on razer's part) and none of them have ever had tracking issues. Before that I had an original deathadder and was playing CS:Source with a 1.25KDA when I quit.
post #43 of 54
huh i wrote so much and such straightforward and short answer frown.gif

Well, as last post on my side(or at least one of last:P) i can only say this - Im working in industry in some way. And what i can say is same as in the long post before:


"Based on you whole post and assuming what you wrote is real - I have another explanation. You are good player, with above average motoric and perception skills- so same as pro players you can play very good on anything"

or like post before you just dont get the diffrence between good and bad mouse. I tested variety from cheap to most expensive. All that matters is what is good for YOU, so if you happy with epic thats good. But i would never recommend this mouse to anyone openheartedly

But i appreciated your even short answer and good someone who is into gaming so much share his/her point of view:)
post #44 of 54
In all honesty, I find my right hand moving to where the numpad should be still... for things like passwords with multiple numbers in them or basic home banking activities etc. But I have a full size keyboard in waiting if I ever need to session out some numpadery. At work, however, I could not function without a numpad. Half the work I do is numerical.
post #45 of 54
well when buying TKL you miss something.. and you have to get used to it will miss:P

but honestly i've benn using numpad very rarely... like when was playing devil may cry last year. never after
post #46 of 54
I used a TK for 1 week and had problems because i use arrow keys in a lot of games and does not feel balanced. If i just used wasd it would been better since the distance between my right and left hand is much small.
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post #47 of 54
I don't get that mouse discussion.

She won't feel the negative accel on her pad anyways. Prolly even due to using higher sens and maybe higher cpi. - not sure, don't know.
The only ones who are really bothered by it are FPS gamers who drop their lowsens and do fast mouse swipes.

All in all. No hate.
This turned in some harsh fight guys tongue.gif

If we would bash on ever laser mouse we could like exclude like more than 50%.
Also there are optical mice with accel issues.

Sensors are not made by the company so you can't really blame Razer up to 100% for that.


By the way.. were drifting away from the topic i guess ^_^
post #48 of 54
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By the way.. were drifting away from the topic i guess ^_^
How so? I thought we were discussing ten-key-less mice?! tongue.gif
post #49 of 54
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How so? I thought we were discussing ten-key-less mice?! tongue.gif

Oh...

mines a 12key+ mouse...oops

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post #50 of 54
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Oh...

mines a 12key+ mouse...oops

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Mine too - Roccat "easy shift" lol - it's so easy to drift OT.

I think the original topic has been pretty thoroughly addressed now though smile.gif
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