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It's a pretty safe bet if you ask me. The consoles all have weak 8 core CPUs. Anyone who makes a cross platform game that depends on single threaded performance (or even just 4 cores) is going to have a lousy game that disappoints gamers. 1.6ghz Jaguar core by itself is not so strong. Even the A4-5000 I'm on sort of needs 4 cores to be decent, I wouldn't have taken anything with less than 4 Jaguar cores.

As usual, I'm going to herald the fact that an FX 8350 is a lot more fun to overclock. 4670k overclocking will basically be raising the multiplier, bumping the voltage a tiny bit, and then looking for the Great Wall of Intel where 22nm Intel chips just fall on their face and can't do anything more without tons of voltage
if you talk about the temperature and high vcore it has more todo with the TIM on the die and the spacing between the TIM and the IHS,instead a solder ihs
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Well pulled the trigger on the FX-8350 this morning.

Thanks everyone for the advice. Well update with results once I get it going.
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Well pulled the trigger on the FX-8350 this morning.

Thanks everyone for the advice. Well update with results once I get it going.

If you move forward with the 8350 on that MSI motherboard, BE CAREFUL. I would honestly invest in a thermal gun so you can monitor VRM temps ESPECIALLY if you plan on overclocking.
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If you move forward with the 8350 on that MSI motherboard, BE CAREFUL. I would honestly invest in a thermal gun so you can monitor VRM temps ESPECIALLY if you plan on overclocking.


Would the manual have safe temps or somewhere I can read about them?
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If you're only going for a mild Overclock (~4.5Ghz) then that board will do fine for that.
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If you're only going for a mild Overclock (~4.5Ghz) then that board will do fine for that.

I think I can agree with this. I checked the VRM database for your board and it appears that it should be ok, but I would still keep an eye on VRM temps. You can get thermal limits by sending an email to MSI support, just don't tell them you're overclocking. If you do overclock, make sure to get the lowest stable voltage on the vCore that you can. This will help temps stay low.

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database/0_100
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Depends what your budget is. The 8320/8350 (same chip, 8350 is just a factory OC)
Not really. The 8350 is just a better binned chip than an 8320. A factory OC is a chip that ships from the factory very close to its thermal limits, and the 8350 is a long way from that. The 9590 is a factory overclock.
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It will be hard to tell since we dont know if programmers will optimize/support for vishera cpu in the future
They already are. Supporting Vishera is no more difficult than supporting HT on an Intel CPU. The Intel HT code paths work just as well for AMD FX processors.

We're already seeing more and more multi-core support in software, and we're going to see more in the future, especially for gaming. Modern consoles are running on AMD octo-core chips, and games will not going to have any problem being ported to PC and run on a much faster Vishera chip.
     
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Completely agree, 8x threads do make a lot of difference especially when overclocked. If you check the recent figures of testing done by AMD for their Thief Mantle drivers it indicates that in DX11 mode 4670k gives higher frame-rates but when switching to mantle FX-8350 is the fastest of all which gives ~70 fps at 1080p each and every settings maxed out on an R9 290X ref: link
    
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Thanks everyone. Making me feel much better about my purchase. When I built this rig at first was when vishera first came out and all the reviews were saying wasn't much improvement over an OC phenom.

It's supposed to arrive tomorrow and I'll more than likely get a new mb as well to save the trouble of doing it later on.

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Thanks everyone. Making me feel much better about my purchase. When I built this rig at first was when vishera first came out and all the reviews were saying wasn't much improvement over an OC phenom.
It depends. The single-core performance is about the same. Phenom II is quite a bit faster than a Bulldozer in single-core, but Piledriver pretty much pulled even. Older code tend to will be a little faster on Phenom, newer code written with newer assembly tools will favor Piledriver.

The most important thing is that software is taking more advantage of multi-core CPU's than it used to. The latest games and software like Vishera a lot more than benchmarks do, because they're being written to better utilize the resources it offers. I've yet to set a task in front of my FX-8350 that it couldn't plow through and snort at, even if I'm only running at stock. It will run 4.85 without a problem, but I usually leave it at 4.5 because it will run that speed on just 1.35v and use a lot less power. A lot of the people bashing AMD's big-core chips on the Internet have never actually owned one, but they're so 1337 because daddy bought them a 4670K and PCmark sez it pwns us AMD luzers.
     
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