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Yes i was afraid of that. But then raid 0 should properly incease speeds of those drives? So it turns out raid is a much faster option in real life?

Some large poster on OCN.net made a guide on SSDs and said that raid SSDs mostly increases sequential reads, not random reads. I don't know if that's true but it looked like he knew what he was talking about.

 

 

Here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread/0_100#post_15860070

Near end of the post.


Edited by Darkwizzie - 3/19/14 at 10:27am
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Rapid mode is basically an application managed cache stored in RAM with some calculation done by the CPU to optimize writes; what Windows sorta already does, only RAPID mode is a 1GB cache and doesn't affect boot performance since it starts after. Basically, I think RAPID mode would only give an improvement for small amounts of data that are accessed over and over again, i.e. parts of your OS (which Windows already does a good job of caching) since it'll only cache 1GB of compressed data, definitely not your games. RAPID might even make things worse at times in terms of latency since the cached data is compressed and will need to be uncompressed before it can be used and then heavy CPU calculations are made before every single write to the disk to work out the best place to write to; all together, there's a lot of CPU usage going on which has to be completed before each tiny bit of data can be written or read, it's also not unheard of for some anti-virus software to cause performance problems, especially writes, which shaft the whole process and almost defeat any improvement of using an SSD, let alone RAPID. The thing you then have with RAID 0 is that you're solving a problem that doesn't exist and then you're losing native support for TRIM, which will devastate performance over time for the unnoticeable gain; there are methods of getting TRIM to do it's thing, but it's usually unreliable or application based with a likelihood of bringing it's own plethora of issues.

My advice: forget about RAID and RAPID, get one big SSD and you're sorted.
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Yes i was afraid of that. But then raid 0 should properly incease speeds of those drives? So it turns out raid is a much faster option in real life?

Some large poster on OCN.net made a guide on SSDs and said that raid SSDs mostly increases sequential reads, not random reads. I don't know if that's true but it looked like he knew what he was talking about.

 

 

Here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1179518/seans-ssd-buyers-guide-information-thread/0_100#post_15860070

Near end of the post.

Its true. In normal use you will not notice the difference b/w two drives in RAID 0 vs 1 drive. RAID 0 does not increase random reads. Look at the 4k read speeds on benchmarks of both RAID 0 and non RAID 0 drive set ups. 

 

I suggest a single larger SSD rather than 2 in RAID 0. 

 

Rapid mode is just a benchmark gimmick as well, you can forget that. 

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So, short and simple, RAID 0 or RAPID won"t make a real life difference. Also, TRIM does not work in raid 0? Well seems like one big 500gbsamsungpro is the best choice. Iit should be faster then my kington HyperX 120 right?
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With raid 0 you double the chance of information loss, correct? Much easier on the mind to just get one large smacking drive anyways.

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So, short and simple, RAID 0 or RAPID won"t make a real life difference. Also, TRIM does not work in raid 0?

You mobo TRIM will work with RAID 0.

 

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Well seems like one big 500gbsamsungpro is the best choice. Iit should be faster then my kington HyperX 120 right?

Eh, the speed difference will most likely be imperceptible.

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You mobo TRIM will work with RAID 0.

 

Eh, the speed difference will most likely be imperceptible.

The speed difference helps me sleep better at night. No joke. :lmaosmile

 

If I had two SSDs I could try a world world test by running heavily modded skyrim. Lots of loading there.

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Sad but true for us ocers/raid heads...90% of the time a pair of ssds in R0 won't yield a 'noticeable' difference. Only exception that may apply would be raiding a pair of 'value' 64GB ssds...even that is iffy. +1 re: Rapid as just a software gimmick that doesn't hold up under fire. As with ANY raid setup...be it HDDs or SSDs, it's always a good idea to subject them to a couple of month 'burn-in' period before trusting your data to them. If a drive is gonna fail, it's usually near the beginning if it's life span...for hdds and ssds both imo. If you your like me and would rather not wait, just make sure you have an app like Acronis doing a nightly incremental backup to a trusted storage drive. I've yet to have an ssd outright fail but there's no excuse for not backing up...it only takes a few minutes of otherwise idle time.wink.gif


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So i have 2 questions. First one. I was looking at some reviews. And if i'm right. A samsung 840 pro 256GB in RAPID mode is two times faster then my current kingston hyperX. It also has lower access time. Soould i feel the difference in real life usage? Second question. If i want 500GB of SSD storage is it a better idea to buy 2x 256GB samsung 840 pro's and run them in raid 0 or should i buy a single 500GB ssd and run it in rapid mode. Since samsungs do not support RAPID in raid 0. Witch option is better and why? Witch option is faster?

Pc that will be running this in short terms. i5 4570, gigabyte z87m-d3h, 2x8GB kingston HyperX ram.

EDIT: Also i'm will be using that ssd 24/7, my kington HyperX has got 17500 working hours and 10TB of write. So considering that is it worth buying a samsung PRO or an EVO ?

A larger drive will In principle perform faster than a smaller one because it has more chips to read/write to in parallel. Raid will mostly improve your sequential speeds but not so much random access.

If you raid drives you have to make sure the raid controller ad it's firmware support TRIM. This you do not have to worry about with a single drive.

So a larger single drive is the way to go IMO.
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