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I will hopefully be building my new rig by mid-April after a long wait and I figured it's time to ask for others' opinions on what I should and should not get. I'll try to keep it simple.

The case is a Phanteks Enthoo Primo which I have already bought (There were only 3 imported in Greece that I was aware of and 2 were snatched before I could get my mind together, so I grabbed the last one while I could). It's an awesome case and will fit all the water cooling stuff I'd like to get in the (not too distant) future.

For the CPU. I'm still torn between the 4770k and the 4670k. I know well enough that the 4670k will suit my gaming (on 1080p for now) and browsing needs more than fine, and that's what I will be using the PC for 99% of the time. I may do some light video editing etc, but nothing worth worrying about. Still, a 4770k feels like a better buy. Somehow I feel better knowing that, when I want/need 8 threads, they will be there. Stupidity is knocking on my door, but I'm seriously leaning towards the i7. And that's a matter I'd like to hear opinions on.

For RAM, I have almost decided on the Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB 2400MHz kit (C11 and red color,but that shouldn't matter). I know there's better RAM out there, but I've owned several Corsaid products, mainly memories, and I trust them and their customer service has been exceptional. I'm open to opinions on this one, but I want the Vengeance Pros more for the looks rather than for the performance because, let's face it, pretty much every similarly specced kit will perform about the same. Models with tighter latencies tend to be quite pricier, so I'm not really considering those.

The mobo will be an Asus Maximus VI Formula. That's pretty much the only thing apart from the case that I'm sure about. It's got the features I want,including a decent sound card, wifi, bluetooth and it looks more than awesome.

PSU... I'm thinking Corsair's RM850. Corsair PSUs are generally good, it's 80 Plus Gold, it's modular, it covers me power-wise even if I consider adding a second GPU... Other than that, I don't know. I was looking at some of Seasonic's PSUs, but they are damn expensive, at least on this part of the world. That and I don't see any Platinum PSUs being worth the extra money.

For storage, I think I'll go with a 250GB Samsung 840 Evo and a Seagate 2TB SSHD. The former is a solid performer from what I've seen. The latter however... I don't know. In theory it should be faster than a regular HDD. However, for mass storage I don't think it will make a noticeable difference. My second choice is a Seagate Barracuda. I'd like to buy a WD Black, but they cost more than I am willing to spend on an HDD.

My biggest concern is what GPU should I buy? By all means, if anyone wants to voice their opinion do so, but I will be opening a thread in the GPU forums anyway. There are so many things to consider that the GPU choice alone has given me more headaches than the rest of the build.

Finally, as I have already stated, I will probably be water cooling the thing. I'll be using it on air for the first few weeks to see if there are any defective parts etc and then, unless something is terribly wrong with my financials, I'll be building my loop. Anyway, that's another topic.

So that's it... I hope the post isn't too long by most people's standards.Any help is much appreciated as always.

Thanks in advance,

Apostolis
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Sory no the Corsair RM is not that great and is not worth touching

You would be better of with an EVGA SuperNova G2 which is miles better and price at almost the same pricepoint

And you can go with a 750 watts for two cards you dont need 850 watts
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Sory no the Corsair RM is not that great and is not worth touching

You would be better of with an EVGA SuperNova G2 which is miles better and price at almost the same pricepoint

And you can go with a 750 watts for two cards you dont need 850 watts

For 2 overclocked 780s (Maybe Classifieds) and an overclocked Haswell, I think even the 850W one is cutting it too close. It may even not be enough in fact. Good thing is, a second GPU is rather far away.

Are the EVGA PSUs that good? I seem to remember the opposite. The RM850 is either built by Seasonic or ChanelWellTech, both of which make great PSUs.
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Originally Posted by tolis626 View Post

For 2 overclocked 780s (Maybe Classifieds) and an overclocked Haswell, I think even the 850W one is cutting it too close. It may even not be enough in fact. Good thing is, a second GPU is rather far away.

Are the EVGA PSUs that good? I seem to remember the opposite. The RM850 is either built by Seasonic or ChanelWellTech, both of which make great PSUs.

its not a Seasonic its a mediocre Chicony Power Technology unit

The EVGA G2/P2 models are based on the Super Flower Leadex not an FSP unit like the older EVGA units which yes where a bit crappy

If you can find a Super Flower Leadex or a EVGA SuperNova G2/P2 that would be a far better option then the Corsair RM
Edited by shilka - 3/18/14 at 4:56pm
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The EVGA G2/P2 models are based on the Super Flower Leadex not an FSP unit like the older EVGA units which yes where a bit crappy

If you can find a Super Flower Leadex or a EVGA SuperNova G2/P2 that would be a far better option then the Corsair RM

Really? Didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up! I'll look into EVGA PSUs tomorrow.
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Go with the i5
For the RAM see if you can find CL9 @ 1600mhz. Either way, the Vengeance Pro is an awesome choice
Go for a Corsair AX series PSU. They're basically the Seasonic X-series rebranded
Good choice on the SSD. The Pro will give a slight boost but not by much. Get a WD Black. It's worth the money. It's quick for an HDD and it's last forever.
For GPU, I'm a Radeon guy so I'd say go for an R9 270x/280x/290x whatever you can afford. Asus is a quality manufacturer though a bit pricier than, say, MSI or Sapphire.
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SSD/HDD: The Samsung is a popular choice, for the price it wouldn't get much better, the M500 is cheaper but the features of the EVO are more compelling (imo). Crucial just came out with the M550 line which does offer some good competition but you really wouldn't notice a large difference in a lot of circumstances. As for the HDD, if just for storage, save a few bucks and get a single 3TB drive, I myself like Hitachi, then WD, and then Seagate in descending order.

GPU: Depends on your needs? Would need the following:
-Resolution/monitor choice?
-Gaming heavy or just moderately?
-Budget?
-SLI or Crossfire wanted?
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Thank you both for your replies!
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Go with the i5
For the RAM see if you can find CL9 @ 1600mhz. Either way, the Vengeance Pro is an awesome choice
Go for a Corsair AX series PSU. They're basically the Seasonic X-series rebranded
Good choice on the SSD. The Pro will give a slight boost but not by much. Get a WD Black. It's worth the money. It's quick for an HDD and it's last forever.
For GPU, I'm a Radeon guy so I'd say go for an R9 270x/280x/290x whatever you can afford. Asus is a quality manufacturer though a bit pricier than, say, MSI or Sapphire.

RAM : Well, I initially had a 1600MHz CL9 kit in mind, but it seems that prices are so close that there is absolutely no point to settle for that over a 2400MHz CL11 kit. There are 1600MHz CL8 kits at the same price (Like G.Skills RipjawsX I think), but I prefer the (much) higher bandwidth over the slightly tighter latencies, as I want to try out RAMdisk one day for games like Skyrim whose loading times suck. There are also 2133MHz CL9 and 2400MHz CL10 kits, but these are usually crazy expensive.

CPU : For now, as things are I think I'll go with the i7. If my budget drops I will sacrifice the i7 instead of cutting on GPU power. Or if my budget increases but not substantially, I may also save 100€ by going to the i5 and getting a 780ti, but we'll see.

PSU : The AX series are quite expensive and for a relatively low wattage system I don't see the point of a platinum PSU. I mean, the AX760 (Not even the 760i) is more expensive than the RM850. Granted, they aren't the same quality but still, it seems odd to me. I think more research on my part is a must.

HDD/SSD : Eh,the Pro will probably give me nothing more than the Evo, at least for my usage scenario. The Evo also has this nifty thing that uses a RAMdisk as cache to speed up the SSD, so I think I'll be adding more RAM down the road and make a 8/16GB RAMdisk for that. Stupid,I know, but why the hell not? Also, for the HDD, I might as well make do with an old (like 2005 old I think) WD Green 500GB I have lying around, buy whatever else first and buy a WD Black after a month or so with whatever money I have then. Question is, are they really that good considering the price?

GPU : That's what I'm really undecided about. I'm a Radeon guy and have been for a long time. In fact the last NVidia card I have owned was a 6800 Ultra (256MB VRAM woohooooo!), Thing is, right now the NVidias are better. More efficient, run cooler and quieter for the most part and, at least when getting cards like the Classified, they overclock like there's no tomorrow. Plus, for 1080p gaming, the NVidia GPUs are at an advantage. If I had a higher res monitor, I'd probably be going with a R9 290(x?). All that, while also considering that prices are really similar (Unless one is getting the god awful reference R9 GPUs) has pushed me towards NVidia for now. And I also have in mind that this is probably a bad time to be buying a rig with every new thing being around the corner. But hell, there's always something around the corner, so I thought I might as well go on with it and not worry.
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SSD/HDD: The Samsung is a popular choice, for the price it wouldn't get much better, the M500 is cheaper but the features of the EVO are more compelling (imo). Crucial just came out with the M550 line which does offer some good competition but you really wouldn't notice a large difference in a lot of circumstances. As for the HDD, if just for storage, save a few bucks and get a single 3TB drive, I myself like Hitachi, then WD, and then Seagate in descending order.

GPU: Depends on your needs? Would need the following:
-Resolution/monitor choice?
-Gaming heavy or just moderately?
-Budget?
-SLI or Crossfire wanted?

Well, the M500 isn't that cheaper around here and yes, the Samsung one does have some nice features (RAMdisk caching being one of them). The HDD will be almost purely for storage. I may occassionaly run an old game from it if I have it moved there to save space on the SSD, but these occassions will be few and far between so they shouldn't matter. Good thing is, I'm not too pressed about storage right now as I have about 4TB of external drives for storing my movies etc (So I can connect my laptop and transfer the movie I want to it directly for example), so 2TB would be more than enough for now. After all, storage is the single easiest thing to improve on a PC, so I wouldn't worry.

As for the GPU... I'll be using a Philips HDTV (40PFL5507 if anyone is curious) as my monitor for the foreseeable future, so I'll be using 1080p. It's one of the "400Hz natural motion rate blah blah blah" 3D TVs, so it can probably do higher than 60Hz (I think the panel itself is 100Hz, but I could be wrong). I also don't know if running the screen at a higher than rated refresh rate is possible at all with AMD GPUs, but it's certainly possible with NVidia GPUs, if the screen allows it. Forgive me for not giving many details, but it's not possible to do something with my current PC so I haven't researched much into it, I just know that it can be done.

When you're saying heavy gaming what do you mean? I'm not a pro, but I'll be playing a lot of competitive multiplayer games like BF4. I also want top notch image quality and no compromises in my experience (Which is strange if anyone sees my current setup. It's crappy and that's why I'm in such a hurry to change). I'd consider I'm gaming heavily, but again, it depends on how you define heavy.

Budget... That's a nice question. I'll know for sure after the 9th of April, but I expect somewhere between 1500€ and 2000€. I already have the case, the monitor and the peripherals, so every cent goes towards the rig itself from now on. To be honest, I expect it to be closer to the 2000€ mark (1800-1900€ sounds about right), but I prefer to be ready for the worst. I just don't want to go too far, because I want to build a water cooling loop down the road and we all know how expensive these things can get.

Speaking of water cooling, that's the reason I'm considering the Classified. As I said to DonDizzurp, I'm more of an AMD guy myself, but I think I've decided on NVidia this time for all the reasons I stated above. I get really crazy when I start overclocking (I even heavily overclock my smartphones for Chrissakes) and I don't think I'll be able to just settle on sane clocks. If you say "What would you do with a 780/780ti at over 1200MHz at 1080p?You're an idiot if you want more" I could agree. I just want it and I don't think it needs any further justification. A 1400MHz 780ti Classy under water sounds like heaven. Although I'm sure Haswell will disappoint me and I'll probably end up with a crappy overclocking CPU because...Me. My luck is bad. Delidding is in line!
post #10 of 16
Which PSU´s can you find at what prices

Make a list and i will look it over and tell you what is best for the money

Brands does not matter at all since they dont make the units they sell anyway

80 plus has nothing to do with quality
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