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CPU: i7 4770k $269.99 @ Micro Center

CPU Cooler: corsair H100i $98.99 @ Best Buy

Motherboard: MSI Z87I AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard $138.99 @ Newegg

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 $83.69 @ Amazon

Storage: Crucial M500 240GB Solid State Disk $109.99 @ Amazon

Storage: Seagate 1TB Barracuda Hard Drive $54.99 @ NCIX US

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card $327.36 @ B&H

Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case $99.99 @ Amazon

Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W $82.99 @ Mwave

Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 60Hz 23.0" Monitor $167.15 @ Mwave


$1411




There is is folks! So I have a couple things to ask right off the bat.

A) Though this is going to be used to render videos, I can only afford an i5 CPU. I chose to get an Nvidia card so I can utilize their CUDA technology and hopefully make up for my lack of an i7. My question is, does CUDA actually work? Or should I move my budget around so I can get an i7?


B) The motherboard shown above is fairly expensive. I plan on overclocking, but nothing insane (Keeping it around 4.6 @ 1.2v/1.25v) Is the Deluxe motherboard justified? Or can I get away with a less expensive option? Say, this one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87iac


C) The storage "array" I have selected is pretty basic, but I have a couple of other ideas. I'm planning on using the 64gb SSD as a Cashe for the Hybrid drive. My question is: Can I even do that/is it worth doing for a hybrid drive? Or should I go for a 64gb SSD Boot drive w/ a 1tb storage HDD? Or possibly move my budget around and get a single 480gb-512gb SSD to run my entire system off of?

Any help will be appreciated! Please post any thoughts or ideas below! Thanks! biggrin.gif


POST WILL BE EDITED TO REFLECT CHANGES MADE BY REPLIES IN THREAD
Edited by Jaggie - 3/20/14 at 1:00am
post #2 of 18
Since you are buying the cpu at Microcenter, why not get the motherboard combo too?
post #3 of 18
You dont need a 650 watts PSU for that system

Second you should not buy a Corsair RM PSU you can find much better for around the same money

Like the Rosewill Capstone the Seasonic G and the XFX XTR

Welcome to OCN by the way
Edited by shilka - 3/18/14 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by iRUSH View Post

Since you are buying the cpu at Microcenter, why not get the motherboard combo too?

I was looking through their combo deals on PCPartPicker and couldn't find a combo that included a m-ITX MoBo. But if you know of one, throw it my way.
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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

You dont need a 650 watts PSU for that system

Second you should not buy a Corsair RM PSU you can find much better for around the same money

Like the Rosewill Capstone the Seasonic G and the XFX XTR

Welcome to OCN by the way

I was originally going for Corsair because I liked the look, but I just noticed that the case im getting has the PSU completely covered from all sides, so I'll definitely do that. Seasonic seems like a good option, what wattage would you recommend? I'm planning on OCing the CPU and GPU.

And thanks! biggrin.gif
Edited by Jaggie - 3/18/14 at 6:08pm
post #5 of 18
Go to their site directly Microcenter.com and add both 4670k and the m-itx board you decide to go with to the cart to see the combo price correctly reflected. It'll save you an additional $30
post #6 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iRUSH View Post

Go to their site directly Microcenter.com and add both 4670k and the m-itx board you decide to go with to the cart to see the combo price correctly reflected. It'll save you an additional $30

Oh sweet, that helps a lot. Thanks!! thumb.gif
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If you're going to volt-mod the GPU, stay with something over 600W for the PSU. 650-750W depending on the specific PSU.

If you're not volt-modding, you can dip down to ~500W. 450-600W, again, depending on the specific PSU.

FSP has a number of PSUs with gold trim around the fan that may look nice in the build if it is going to be at all visible. With the various "gold" line of FSP PSUs, I'd suggest leaning to the larger end of the sizing range because many of them are split-rail designs, have falling efficiency above 80% load, gradually worsening ripple supression at very high loads, as well as typically slightly less rated power available on the 12V rails combined than competing products with the same overall combined rating. (go with 550W or 750W depending on plans for the GPU)

On the other hand, something like a Rosewill Capstone or Fortress, with beefy single 12V rails rated right near the full load rating, flatter efficiency characteristics and better ripple suppression and regulation right up to the rating, I would trust these on the lower end of the range just fine, (450W or 650W, again depending on GPU plans).



Don't mix a hybrid drive with a cache drive, that's pointless double-caching that will not improve performance, but will increases the chances of data loss.

Go one way or another. Problem I see with setting up a cache drive these days, is that a fast ~60GB SSD will cost almost as much as just buying a 240GB SSD that could be used as a dedicated system/app drive and result in better performance still. A cheap 240GB drive will typically deliver higher speeds than a "fancy" 60GB SSD.

240Gb M500: ~$110
1TB single platter WD or Seagate: ~$60

The $/GB of 60GB and smaller SSDs is nearly double that of 240GB sizes.



GPU accelerated video editing has scaling limitations. It is possible to leverage a GTX770 in some workloads, however that often requires 4K content AND more CPU power than an i5. From a video editing perspective, the similar costing i7 + GTX760 is a better value as you'll be able to saturate more of the hardware more often. From a gaming perspective, the i5 + GTX770 is better. Depends on what you want the machine to be better at.


If you're planning to work with RAW footage while video editing, then you will need to reconsider your drive configuration. If you're working with compressed footage then it likely won't matter unless you're over 320Mbps.



Photo editing performance is generally very good on any high end hardware like this, as such, you don't need to concern yourself too much with whether or not this will work well UNLESS you intend to work on very high resolution projects with lots of layers. In which case the main restriction becomes system RAM, 16-64GB is not uncommon on editing stations that are used to splice huge numbers of high resolution photos together.

With photo editing, both CPU and GPU scaling is limited depending on the specific function, an overclocked i5 is a good sweet spot, anything over a ~GTX650Ti becomes pretty underutilized regardless of CPU strength unless you're using software that is specialized for GPU acceleration (The scaling limitations I'm talking about are common to Photoshop).


The H100i and Asus Deluxe are heavy lifters for pushing high overclocks. Seems like haswell OCing is limited by the lid and thermal density issues that are hard to solve unless you're going to de-lid the chip. Assuming you're going to OC without de-liding, I doubt the delux+100i will buy you more than 100mhz worth of OC over going with the less expensive MSI board and a 120mm CLC.

FYI: The little $50 Seidon 120V handles the FX-6300@5ghz, which is about a 175W load in my particular case. That's more power at the chip than you'd ever hit on an i7 haswell under any normal overclocking conditions. I'm not *recommending* the little seidon 120V as it is a cheap unit with a slightly noisy pump, but bring it up as a point of consideration. There isn't apt to be a ton of OC scaling potential on haswell with MORE cooling power than a good performing 120mm radiator (there are some poor performing radiators though, so it all depends).
Edited by mdocod - 3/19/14 at 2:05am
     
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post #9 of 18
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Wow, alrighty then. I didn't want to quote you because Holywalloftextbatman I didn't want to crash my browser lmao. Thanks for the insanely informative reply XD

Alright so, on the Volt-modding thing; first off I didn't even know what that was and had to look it up. So I'm probably not going to be doing that until I'm more comfortable around a soldering tool. In any case, the 550w will work for me. Also, the case I selected has the PSU covered from all sides once the system is installed. So the gold designed PSU from FSP, while quite sexy, wouldn't be shown off in all it's glory. :/ I'm planning to use the Seasonic G 550w, would you recommend the Rosewill over it for any reason? I'm not to familiar with PSUs.


I've switched up my storage setup to what you recommended. I had no idea I could get a 240gb SSD for so cheap! thumb.gif One thing though, and this touches on Video Editing as well. What I want to do is use FRAPS or other such program to capture game footage, edit said footage, and upload said footage to YouTube. I know, I know, I'm probably not going to take off like Jesse Cox or GassyMexican, but I figured I'd give it a shot. What kind of Storage, CPU, and GPU configuration would you recommend to accomplish such a task? Keep in mind i have ~$650 to work with for all those parts.


As with Volt-Modding the GPU, De-Lidding the CPU is way out of my pay grade. So I'll stick with the MSI board. I looked up the CM cooler you menioned, and it sees to be quite the little monster. How would you say it fairs against a Corsair H60? I ask because they're the exact same price, but the Corsair is way sexier IMHO.


Thank you so much for your help! +Rep thumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gif

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Seasonic G is the best unit in that price range the XFX XTR is a fully modular version if you rather have that one
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