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Hey Guys,

been itching to make a water cooling build for a while now. Finally decided to cross over to the darkside wink.gif I have done lots of reading and got many parts already and pretty much decided on the case: Corsair 750D

Parts that I was able to source so far:
1 ek supremacy
1 ek 290 block
1 ek reservoir
1 D5 Pump w/ ekTop
12 bitspower bronze age compression fittings
as well as Coolant and tubing

my components list is as follows:

2500k @ 4.5ghz (overclocked on air... maybe more on water)
16 gskill 1600 ram
240gb samsung 840 ssd
2tb toshiba 7300 hdd
xfx refence 290 (hoping to overclock as I have been scared to mess around without proper cooling)
tx750m psu


I need some suggestions as to what rads and fans to pick in order to be able to support a 3 components crossfire 290 setup (down the line) with a cpu .

Since I live in Canada there are only so few stores that carry water cooling gear I checked and I could get a nice deal on MCR320-XP + MCR220-XP brand new

or perhaps a brand new MCR420-XP since the 750d is supposed to be able to take 1 420 in the top.

Also I looked on forums and found some people selling alphacool st30 240mm radiators which are actually quite nice looking and judging from reviews good performers.

As far as fans go one of the people I bought some of the other gear from has some sp120 (performance editions) for a reasonable price that he could sell me. I checked reviews and they look ok. Nice aesthetics and decent stats 3.1 mm/H20 and they come with a voltage step down adapter that allows to lower speed without a fan controller would these fans fit well with the MCR rads or would they be a poor match?

I am also unsure if I should go with push pull setup as it seems that it isn't necessary but would help with temps and with noise.

Thanks for the help
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Hey there fellow Canadian,

I'm in the same boat as you, I've got little knowledge that increasing daily, but I'll try to help.

Fans: Corsair SP120 are the best looking ones out there (in my opinion anyways). I've bought 4 this week (still waiting for them) and looking for more (please let me know if the guy is still selling his and you decide not to buy them?) and the typhoons Ap-15 are the kings (performance not looks). There are some other fans kicking around if you don't want to shell out crazy money on fans and I've heard they're also good (air penetrators, yate loons...)

Rads: the general rule of thumb is a single rad for each device and add a single rad at the end to be on the safe side so you prolly need a 420 rad at least. That said, dual 240 rads are better than a single 420 so if suggest that.

Setup: a push pull setup would be optimal (yes it would help with the noise) but the problem is the space, you'd think there's no problem with fitting rads in a case but they're massive (if you don't get a slim edition) and add fans on both sides on top of side (something you might wanna look into to see if you'll have enough space for 8 fans and 2 rads (if you go that route)).

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post #3 of 17
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Hey there fellow Canadian,

I'm in the same boat as you, I've got little knowledge that increasing daily, but I'll try to help.

Fans: Corsair SP120 are the best looking ones out there (in my opinion anyways). I've bought 4 this week (still waiting for them) and looking for more (please let me know if the guy is still selling his and you decide not to buy them?) and the typhoons Ap-15 are the kings (performance not looks). There are some other fans kicking around if you don't want to shell out crazy money on fans and I've heard they're also good (air penetrators, yate loons...)

Rads: the general rule of thumb is a single rad for each device and add a single rad at the end to be on the safe side so you prolly need a 420 rad at least. That said, dual 240 rads are better than a single 420 so if suggest that.

Setup: a push pull setup would be optimal (yes it would help with the noise) but the problem is the space, you'd think there's no problem with fitting rads in a case but they're massive (if you don't get a slim edition) and add fans on both sides on top of side (something you might wanna look into to see if you'll have enough space for 8 fans and 2 rads (if you go that route)).

Good luck

Just a side note on the sp120 fans, they come in a performance edition and a quiet edition. The performance ones work really well, just kinda noisy. I have them and they com be with a low sped adaptor, they sell the quiet and performance ones in a 2pack and its a pretty good deal, there's also a pwm version that's a little more expensive.

Sp120 high performance 2 pack: $27.99
Sp 120 quiet ed. 2 pack: 24.99
Pwm 2 pack:$29.99
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=sp+120

Yeah and the gentle typhoons are really held in high regard here on the forum, just on the pricey side.
AP-14: $19.75
AP-15: $19.99
http://www.amazon.com/Scythe-GentleTyphoon-120mm-Silent-D1225C12B4AP-14/dp/B001Q6X0S6/ref=pd_sim_pc_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1RZTQB4H0XDM3VG3FMWF

The cheaper options are the nzxt performance fans and they drop to on amazon $8.99 each they're pretty decent. they have a decent sleeved cable and a 3pin to molex plug included.
Also the rosewill hypoborea are a pretty decent pwm fan.
NZXT perfom. $11.99
http://www.amazon.com/120mm-Performance-120RB-Black-White/dp/B0039825LM

Rosewill hypoborea: $9.99
Umm yeah if youn want good fans then you have to be willing to pay a premium for them.

And heres a review on radiator fans:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6177/choosing-the-best-120mm-radiator-fan-testing-eight-fans-with-corsairs-h80

Part 2
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6391/120mm-radiator-fan-roundup-part-2-fan-harder
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post #4 of 17
You should get a 900D, I know its intimidating but I had a 750D and while its a awesome case some times it feels cramped and thats with two r9-290x with ek waterblocks, and slim radiators, for tri fire you might want thicks rads
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Thanks for all the replies!
I'm leaning towards the sp120s performance for the fans as it seems the sp120s give best performance for the price and they are easily available to me at this point.

The thing I am having a hard time with is the best rads thick or thin? is do i do 2 rads out of : 220/240/320/360 or do i do 1 x 420 at the top?

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You should get a 900D, I know its intimidating but I had a 750D and while its a awesome case some times it feels cramped and thats with two r9-290x with ek waterblocks, and slim radiators, for tri fire you might want thicks rads

OmgitsSexyChase what kind of rads did you use in the 750D for a 2 x 290 with what kind of fans? push pull?

I dont think I'll need the 900D i feel like the 750D is overkill for me... the 900D is just retarded I feel. Maybe im wrong.. but seems to much!
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Thanks for all the replies!
I'm leaning towards the sp120s performance for the fans as it seems the sp120s give best performance for the price and they are easily available to me at this point.

The thing I am having a hard time with is the best rads thick or thin? is do i do 2 rads out of : 220/240/320/360 or do i do 1 x 420 at the top?
OmgitsSexyChase what kind of rads did you use in the 750D for a 2 x 290 with what kind of fans? push pull?

I dont think I'll need the 900D i feel like the 750D is overkill for me... the 900D is just retarded I feel. Maybe im wrong.. but seems to much!

I have a ex 360 up top, a ex 240 in front, and a rx 120 on the bottom

O I also noticed I said had, I still have thus case and it is my primary gaming computer, just wish I could dit two thick 360 rads and call it a day, I dont believe a 480 will fit up tip by the way
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From the review on oc3d it seems that a 420 rad would work, I am curious if i get a 420 with 3 120mm push pulls on it at the top of the case?
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From the review on oc3d it seems that a 420 rad would work, I am curious if i get a 420 with 3 120mm push pulls on it at the top of the case?

If a 420 fits up there you have to worry about space for your fittings, and if you do that the last fan slot will just passively dissipate heat.
It would look cleaner for sure. Also make sure there would be space between the push pull config and the fans.
(I'm def not an expert on water cooling)
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The corsair 750d is a nice case,good choice....Also the fans are really good but can be very loud at full speeds,nothing a fan controller cant fix....A 420 slim 30mm rad rad can fit without any modding,a thicher 45mm/420 rad will need a little modding to fit in the top (modding the 5.25 bay)....You could run 1x360 (top) and 2x240 (front and bottom) like i did to cool all your parts easily and also have the fans at lower rpm for a quieter rig....

Have a look in the 750D club to see what rads can be used and the mods it would take,for a 420 rad with 140mm fans there i a write up on the first page of how to do this....If you are into modding the case you can use 2x420's or 360's....

http://www.overclock.net/t/1430077/corsair-750d-owners-club/3380#post_21974589
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From the review on oc3d it seems that a 420 rad would work, I am curious if i get a 420 with 3 120mm push pulls on it at the top of the case?

Just saw this....A 420 rad uses 140mm fans....thumb.gif
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