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The big bang theory prove that there was something before the big bang.

Big bang means some things exploded, collided, crossed one other things path.

IMO we are a thousand needles away from knowing the truth.
I keep in my head that ants cannot see what they cannot conceive, nor any bacteria. I think we are just like them and most likely there are millions of things we cannot understand and thus see the way it really is.

No it doesn't prove that. As to why there is more than one universe (it's still unproven by the way) and how it all began there are too many questions unanswered to be exactly sure of anything.

There wasn't an explosion but an inflation. Very important distinction.
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Ugh. I read "ripples" as something completely different at first. Mind out of the gutter, please...tongue.gif

On topic, this is pretty cool.
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No it doesn't prove that. As to why there is more than one universe (it's still unproven by the way) and how it all began there are too many questions unanswered to be exactly sure of anything.

There wasn't an explosion but an inflation. Very important distinction.

Quantum Mechanics says that something can literally appear out of absolutely nothing.

So yup, it doesn't prove that there was something before the big bang.
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Quantum Mechanics says that something can literally appear out of absolutely nothing.

So yup, it doesn't prove that there was something before the big bang.

From my understanding of quantum mechanics, it doesn't do that. Something can appear out of nowhere, but it has to come from something (there has to be an event related to it).
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No it doesn't prove that. As to why there is more than one universe (it's still unproven by the way) and how it all began there are too many questions unanswered to be exactly sure of anything.

There wasn't an explosion but an inflation. Very important distinction.

Quantum Mechanics says that something can literally appear out of absolutely nothing.

So yup, it doesn't prove that there was something before the big bang.

Well it isn't nothing...there needs to be energy to cause the Quantum event to take place. Plus that isn't really how it works...or at least not to my limited understanding. The Quantum particle had to already exist some where and then it will appear relatively magically some where else as if it came from nothing.
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Far from an expert, but I have to agree that the Big Bang theory, doesn't refer to a explosion per se, it is a "place holder expression/word".

Yes, you can close your eyes and thing as a layman that it was something lie "let there be light", and a flash/bang went off and things sprigged into existence, but that's not condensing the thinking behind modern cosmology research, that's giving visuals to something inside your own mind, much like you build your own worlds when you are reading books of fiction - informed by your experience.

In he images above you might see the "firmament", you might find bend things and twist ideas or simply quote words/phrases out of context to reinforce your own believes - sure, we work like that as humans. But that's not what the "Big bang" had in mind, just like when Disney named that red dog "Pluto", he wasn't thinking of the older brother of Zeus.

Same for "dark matter", "dark energy" etc...dark = that thing we don't know but we have to name, a place holder. What we know "falls into the light = bright", what we don't remains "dark"...like the "dark side of the moon"...it's doesn't mean "black" or "evil".

Yes, we are far away from perfectly knowing things as far back as the Big Bang, and chances are we will never know exactly how things happened - even if Kraus is enthusiastic about it. We just get "models/frameworks of thinking" that make sense according to the rest of the things we know. We get to know more things (e.g. Quantum mechanics), things change or evolve to include the new information. If things are incompatible with the new information, are simply rejected.

What we can figure out to reasonable extent, is what did not happen or descriptions reality that are false, not what did happen, not what is "true".
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I still can't wrap my head around the fact that there could actually be a "big bang". An actual start to the universe. Let for a second say there was a "big bang", what was there before it? Empty space? All matter had to come from some where. Time never existing and starting with the "big bang"? Seems like most of these theories solidify certain religious beliefs. Not trying to get that conversation started btw. Just an observation. Why is it so hard to believe that the universe was just here, that what we see is just expansion and contraction of the universe. Why did it have to start from nothingness?

Because that's what the evidence points towards. Science is not about believing things because they are convenient or comfortable, it is simply an attempt to seek out what actually is, and so far, the evidence suggests our universe started with a bang. A big one.
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To think that we used to believe the Earth was at the center of the solar system. We learned our sun is one of billions of stars within our galaxy. And our galaxy is one of billions within the universe. To think maybe our universe could be one of billions? That's cool to me.
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Because that's what the evidence points towards. Science is not about believing things because they are convenient or comfortable, it is simply an attempt to seek out what actually is

Exactly - science is a attempt to explain. Doesn't claim perfect knowledge.
This doesn't mean that all other interpretations/attempts are a equally credible tho. There are the prevailing theory, plausible but not as well rounded or slightly outdated theories, plausible hypotheses, and a bunch of implausible, all the way to ridiculous - even stupid - hypotheses. Usually, when you pick and choose between facts, you get the latter.
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, and so far, the evidence suggests our universe started with a bang. A big one.

Well, to be completely accurate, the prevailing theory is that everything started with an absolute tiny bang, as all mass came to be concentrated in a singularity so small and dense that we cannot even model, where the laws of physics as we know them could not apply...
A tiny bang, with the energy intensity of our whole perceivable (and not) universe.

Think it beats a burning bush (despite being smaller).
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post #30 of 55
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The big bang theory prove that there was something before the big bang.

Big bang means some things exploded, collided, crossed one other things path.

IMO we are a thousand needles away from knowing the truth.
I keep in my head that ants cannot see what they cannot conceive, nor any bacteria. I think we are just like them and most likely there are millions of things we cannot understand and thus see the way it really is.

No it doesn't prove that. As to why there is more than one universe (it's still unproven by the way) and how it all began there are too many questions unanswered to be exactly sure of anything.

There wasn't an explosion but an inflation. Very important distinction.
The definitions I've read and seen say otherwise. That an explosion or event happened that threw all matter into "space". That matter collided with other matter creating stars, planets, everything.
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I still can't wrap my head around the fact that there could actually be a "big bang". An actual start to the universe. Let for a second say there was a "big bang", what was there before it? Empty space? All matter had to come from some where. Time never existing and starting with the "big bang"? Seems like most of these theories solidify certain religious beliefs. Not trying to get that conversation started btw. Just an observation. Why is it so hard to believe that the universe was just here, that what we see is just expansion and contraction of the universe. Why did it have to start from nothingness?

Because that's what the evidence points towards. Science is not about believing things because they are convenient or comfortable, it is simply an attempt to seek out what actually is, and so far, the evidence suggests our universe started with a bang. A big one.
Agreed. Science is about truth. Answering questions we have and the journey to those answers. I for one am fascinated by the universe.
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