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What's up with the 4k requests recently? How many people can normally push 4k with over 60fps without any dips? I'd even be worried with two MSI R9 290 GAMING's.

As for $350, you gotta think of it in terms of adaption rate. If you price it outside of the average gamers budget you won't make alot of money either. You also need to sell enough kits to prove it's worth creating games for it/support it. The investment firms are perfectly fine with a slow and steady approach.

This is very tricky grounds, gamers have a stigma against VR already. Considering a large portion remember the terrible attempts before. The goal should be like any other startup. Sell a large amount of products first, then aim for profit. Because if you can build a following, create a market, and have nearly total control of that market there is no reason to rush.

$350 won't sell. Those from OCN and such who have $500 + GPU's $200+ Mobo's $300 headsets tri $250+ 120hrz screens will buy it anyways simply because we love the latest and greatest. But the majority of gamers are running systems that maybe total $800-$1100, with a standard 60hrz monitor that cost them less than $100. They will not buy a OR.

You're right. $250 would probably be enough that the VR fans can reach critical mass, at which point "hey, you tried out my latest gadget?" would spread like wildfire. I just can't see them hitting it and increasing the resolution.

 

4K, I reckon I could have a decent stab at with low settings and (on the indie games) they may not require SLI/CFX for good framerates. It's also incredibly easy to scale 1080p to 4K.

 

 

 

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Looks awesome! Just contributed with the early bird special, not too many spots left.

 

Agreed, this kind of storyline and trippy gameplay should be awesome!

 

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I personally would probably be able to scrape togehrter perhaps ~350 EUR for 1440p model. If it would be a 4K model I could probably scrape together up to ~500 EUR but it would be already pretty straining for my budget. But I could see a "elite" 4K model indeed selling in limited numbers at ~500 EUR/$ mark. So who knows, ~250 for 1080p model, ~350 for 1440p model and ~500 for 4K perhaps? It sound realistic for me but I do not expect them to be able to put out 4K model this year unless they opt to feed it with 2 cables using 2 TCon's for achieving more than 60 Hz at that resolution.

There won't be an elite model at launch, if only because of economies of scale. This is an untested market (ignoring previous failures) so they'll want to see the response to CV1 before considering, say a higher-res "elite". 1440p is probably the highest resolution we can reasonably hope for.

 

 

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Guys I wonder one thing.

Do games need to be a FPS type of game to be supported via Oculus Rift? I mean can games like GTA, Tomb Raider be played with an Oculus Rift as well? Not to a full extent of course but still it could be better than stereoscopic 3D.

Although I can see FPS, and especially cockpit based, games doing very well with the OR, they did demo an RTS game with the OR.

I think 3rd person / over the shoulder type games like TR and GTA might be a little weird, but not impossible.

 

It'd definitely feel more than "weird". It may work in a game where you're a god (SimCity?) but it'd defeat the point of VR if you weren't in the character's body.

If the game has a good community someone will probably do a camera hack or something to force FPS view.

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Anyone with 7870 or better GFX card can do 4K @ consisent 60 Hz even in modern games. You will just have to pick your settings smart way optimizing for frame rate over effects that have small visual impact. I had no problems achieving that with AMD 1055T + 7870 at 10 megapixels not to mention with i7-3820 with the same card or with 7950. The latter just allows me to get away with a notch or two higher settings and go wild sometimes with some effects that would be tight fit with 2 GB of vRAM.

Price wise I believe 350$/EUR to be "fair" price, however, the previously mentioned ~200$ would make it a lot more popular platform probably. Idea mentioned couple posts earlier for cheaper 1080p model in ~250$ range and more "premium" model at ~350$ with some higher resolution a, say 1440p seems also realistic possibility. For this thing to get off the ground properly they would probably aim to sell as many units as they can to make it more attractive to develop games specifically for Occulus. The aim should be to sell millions of these, not a hundred thousand or so. At 1080p and ~250$ you would be going up again 1080p displays with lightboost / G-Sync/ etc, but you would have the advantage of being "oled" and also being fancy new toy. At ~350$ you would be going up against 27'' Koreans at 1440p and potentially ~120 Hz if you are lucky with overclocking model.

I personally would probably be able to scrape togehrter perhaps ~350 EUR for 1440p model. If it would be a 4K model I could probably scrape together up to ~500 EUR but it would be already pretty straining for my budget. But I could see a "elite" 4K model indeed selling in limited numbers at ~500 EUR/$ mark. So who knows, ~250 for 1080p model, ~350 for 1440p model and ~500 for 4K perhaps? It sound realistic for me but I do not expect them to be able to put out 4K model this year unless they opt to feed it with 2 cables using 2 TCon's for achieving more than 60 Hz at that resolution. [Edit] ofc that might not make a lot of sense as AMD went retarded with their last gen cards having only a single displayport in their reference design.

I don't see the reasoning comparing OR with a monitor? If someone is debating if they should get a fancy 1440p 120hz or a 4k monitor vs a OR then they don't really care about VR anyways. That would be like comparing a supersport bike with 200hp race ready from the factory and a Harley Davidson road king. They are totally different things created for different purposes.
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I don't see the reasoning comparing OR with a monitor? If someone is debating if they should get a fancy 1440p 120hz or a 4k monitor vs a OR then they don't really care about VR anyways. That would be like comparing a supersport bike with 200hp race ready from the factory and a Harley Davidson road king. They are totally different things created for different purposes.

True, but always assume that most people are ill-informed. If they have to choose between something they know about and has bigger numbers than this gimmicky new thing for $350...

 

The fact that DK1, even with its extremely low DPI, was so well received makes me think that I do not yet understand exactly how awesome the Rift is. Most people (I suspect) won't.

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True, but always assume that most people are ill-informed. If they have to choose between something they know about and has bigger numbers than this gimmicky new thing for $350...

The fact that DK1, even with its extremely low DPI, was so well received makes me think that I do not yet understand exactly how awesome the Rift is. Most people (I suspect) won't.

I've used DK1 before. It's amazing. I'm excited for PAX East next month because they will have DK2 in droves. Very excited!

But yea, I can see that side of the coin. But the hype train tends to work wonders. And unlike recent hype failures OR delivers on the're marketing.
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True, but always assume that most people are ill-informed. If they have to choose between something they know about and has bigger numbers than this gimmicky new thing for $350...

The fact that DK1, even with its extremely low DPI, was so well received makes me think that I do not yet understand exactly how awesome the Rift is. Most people (I suspect) won't.

This is why I'm picking up DK2. I've heard from hundreds of people that got over the low DPI and head tracking issues with DK1 and still loved it. With the new features, I cant see why I wont enjoy my purchase.
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I don't see the reasoning comparing OR with a monitor? If someone is debating if they should get a fancy 1440p 120hz or a 4k monitor vs a OR then they don't really care about VR anyways. That would be like comparing a supersport bike with 200hp race ready from the factory and a Harley Davidson road king. They are totally different things created for different purposes.

It makes sense to me smile.gif I have limited funds available for tech so I have to make a decision. Will I get Occulus or will I get this other display gadget at that pricepoint. I cant afford both. You can say that "I really dont care for VR" and I can say that I dont really know as I have not experienced VR.
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This is why I'm picking up DK2. I've heard from hundreds of people that got over the low DPI and head tracking issues with DK1 and still loved it. With the new features, I cant see why I wont enjoy my purchase.

 

I'm jealous of anyone who has DK1, so I'm insanely jealous of you right now.

 

I just can't justify DK2 to myself (and my wallet, obviously everyone's circumstances are different) since I would almost certainly be buying CV1 5-6 months (hopefully) after.

 

I also would like DK2 out in the open for a while and everything updated for it, so when CV1 releases I can take a nice few-week break from reality.

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I'm jealous of anyone who has DK1, so I'm insanely jealous of you right now.

I just can't justify DK2 to myself (and my wallet, obviously everyone's circumstances are different) since I would almost certainly be buying CV1 5-6 months (hopefully) after.

I also would like DK2 out in the open for a while and everything updated for it, so when CV1 releases I can take a nice few-week break from reality.

Well if your ever in San Diego you can come by and check it out =)

Also the MAIN reason I purchased it is to play Lunar Lander =) =) =) I'm going to nerd out on that crap for WEEKS!! Oh and I want to play HL2's Cinematic Mod Trough once more with OR.
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Well if your ever in San Diego you can come by and check it out =)

Also the MAIN reason I purchased it is to play Lunar Lander =) =) =) I'm going to nerd out on that crap for WEEKS!! Oh and I want to play HL2's Cinematic Mod Trough once more with OR.

It'd be cheaper to get 2 DK2s delivered to my frontdoor than fly over sadsmiley.gif

 

I have no doubts you'll thoroughly enjoy it, if you can stomach RL for long enough don't forget to update us on how awesome it is. What I really want to try is modded Skyrim, my next build will probably be with the intention of getting to that magical 90fps on whatever resolution CV1 is. My 8320@4.4 and 7970@1100/1550 bottoms out at 24fps in the wilds @1440p. I suspect the really heavy ENBs are what's getting me down, but they are sooo nice.

 

I can just imagine setting Skyrim's timescale nice and high so that day and night change quickly, like in a timelapse video, and just stand there watching...


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It makes sense to me smile.gif I have limited funds available for tech so I have to make a decision. Will I get Occulus or will I get this other display gadget at that pricepoint. I cant afford both. You can say that "I really dont care for VR" and I can say that I dont really know as I have not experienced VR.

Again, it's comparing apples to oranges. If you need a "screen" get a screen. If you want VR get the OR. Not everygame will play amazingly with OR you will need a screen for those games. It's a matter of deciding what you truely need.

If I wanted to cruise around and relax all day I'd choose a Harley, however I enjoy max performance and hitting the tracks (I really do) So I own 3 Sport/supersport bikes.
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