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These are always my favorite posts. Every cool product needs a stack of ridiculous demands. Cmon man, console support for 4k wireless?

You might want to just hold on for a decade or two or pull your head out of the clouds.
This.
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Think about the gpu grunt that's going to be needed to drive 2x 4k monitors (one for each eye).
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I would imagine that in order to maximize their potential market the initial offerings will be set at a level where most rigs can drive them to >60FPS (they recommend 75FPS), at the moment that is going to be equivalent to 1080. The actual display resolution may be different to account for the blank areas on the screen, I'm not sure how that will work.
It really depends on what kind GFX settings are you aiming at. Considering that VR headset would offer superior immersion it might be better experience to play it in VR with something equivalent to "medium" settings than going at it on 2D screen with "ultra" settings. It also seems to me people keep overestimating the GPU power needed to drive large resolutions. For example, I have been able to pull off playable frame-rates at 10 megapixels (that's 25% higher than 4K) with something as low as single 6770 card with 1 GB of vRAM - granted, playable was somewhat subjective, around 40 fps and some GFX settings needed to be sacrificed as well ofc. However, a single 7950 can do 200 fps at the same 10 megapixels in Source engine with every slider as far as it goes (Lost Coast tech demo) - ofc it's old DX9 engine and very well optimized at that. Sure I do not expect any single card out today pull off something like "high" in Cryengine 3 at 2x 4K today but mix of medium/low .. mm perhaps the top end cards - Titans and 290X, for example. Another beauty of 4K is that it is absolutely trivial to drop down into 1080p if needed if one has, say, weaker card, to maintain high enough fps.
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It'd be 1x 4K monitor split between the left and right eye, but I think the bigger limitation is the connector standards - we simply have nothing to display 4K at high Hz.

The best we can reasonably hope from CV1 is 1440p 120Hz, but I suspect 1080p 90/120Hz will be the most likely. 1440p OLED screens would be hard to source and make it near impossible to meet a $300 price tag with profit margins investors would allow, and most people wouldn't be able to run it at full resolution anyway.

Connection standards wise DP 1.2 would be enough to drive single 4K resolution at 60 Hz or 1440p at 120 Hz and if desired it is possible to use multiple connectors, most modern cards I believe should have two DP ports. It is just the HDMI that is limited as it is currently in a nutshell a single link DVI clocked higher and that should change with the HDMI 2.0 as well although this will ofc will not help people who have current generation GFX cards. Now performance wise ... it depends on settings one is after. Raw pixel count wise pretty low end cards have the theoretical fill rate to feed 4K and beyond screens at high enough fps, it's just that what they can do at these resolutions would be somewhat pathetic looking by modern standards probably. I myself would probably draw a entry level reasonable power for decent VR experience somewhere at the level of 7850 / R270 or their nVidia equivalents level which is at the lowest cost offerings approx half the expected cost of the occulus consumer kit which is expected to be somewhere between 300 and 400$ I believe.

I am sure they have their reasons for going for HDMI in their devkits but I just hope that the final consumer version will support DP as well.
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Cant wait until this is out for common folk like me. This is going to take entertainment to a whole new level.
 
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i think you guys are overlooking the July Shipping date, lol.

I might end up getting one of the Dk2's as well,

All I need is the OLED Screen and 6DoFF for sims, i dont need any fancy schmancy addons that will prolly be tacked onto the consumer version.
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I am sure they have their reasons for going for HDMI in their devkits but I just hope that the final consumer version will support DP as well.

Remember they also need audio to be transmitted to the OR, so that would be one reason why they're using HDMI.
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Remember they also need audio to be transmitted to the OR, so that would be one reason why they're using HDMI.

DP 1.2 can transmit the audio even better than HDMI 1.4 if needed as it's auxiliary channel has more bandwidth if I remember correct in addition it would be possible to transmit also the USB signal over the DP auxiliary channel to get away with just single cable (and ofc something to provide also power). From Wiki
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DisplayPort version 1.2 was approved on December 22, 2009. The most significant improvement of the new version is the doubling of the effective bandwidth to 17.28 Gbit/s in High Bit Rate 2 (HBR2) mode, which allows increased resolutions, higher refresh rates, and greater color depth. Other improvements include multiple independent video streams (daisy-chain connection with multiple monitors) called Multi-Stream Transport, facilities for stereoscopic 3D, increased AUX channel bandwidth (from 1 Mbit/s to 720 Mbit/s), more color spaces including xvYCC, scRGB and Adobe RGB 1998, and Global Time Code (GTC) for sub 1 µs audio/video synchronization. Also Apple Inc.'s Mini DisplayPort connector, which is much smaller and designed for laptop computers and other small devices, is compatible with the new standard

For the sake of completeness also the relevant HDMI 1.4 entry:
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HDMI 1.4 was released on May 28, 2009, and the first HDMI 1.4 products were available in the second half of 2009.[111][144] HDMI 1.4 increases the maximum resolution to 4K × 2K, i.e. 3840×2160 (4K Ultra HD) at 24 Hz/25 Hz/30 Hz or 4096×2160 at 24 Hz (which is a resolution used with digital theaters); adds an HDMI Ethernet Channel (HEC), which allows for a 100 Mbit/s Ethernet connection between the two HDMI connected devices so they can share an Internet connection;[60] and introduces an Audio Return Channel (ARC),[59] 3D Over HDMI, a new Micro HDMI Connector, expanded support for color spaces, with the addition of sYCC601, Adobe RGB and Adobe YCC601; and an Automotive Connection System.[111][145][146][147][148] HDMI 1.4 supports several stereoscopic 3D formats including field alternative (interlaced), frame packing (a full resolution top-bottom format), line alternative full, side-by-side half, side-by-side full, 2D + depth, and 2D + depth + graphics + graphics depth (WOWvx),[109][149][150] with additional top/bottom formats added in version 1.4a. HDMI 1.4 requires that 3D displays support the frame packing 3D format at either 720p50 and 1080p24 or 720p60 and 1080p24.[150] High Speed HDMI 1.3 cables can support all HDMI 1.4 features except for the HDMI Ethernet Channel.[109][149][150]

HDMI 1.4a was released on March 4, 2010 and adds two additional mandatory 3D formats for broadcast content, which was deferred with HDMI 1.4 in order to see the direction of the 3D broadcast market.[151][152] HDMI 1.4a has defined mandatory 3D formats for broadcast, game, and movie content.[151] HDMI 1.4a requires that 3D displays support the frame packing 3D format at either 720p50 and 1080p24 or 720p60 and 1080p24, side-by-side horizontal at either 1080i50 or 1080i60, and top-and-bottom at either 720p50 and 1080p24 or 720p60 and 1080p24.[152]

HDMI 1.4b was released on October 11, 2011.[153] One of the new features is that it adds support to 3D 1080p video at 120 Hz -allowing frame packing 3D format at 1080p60 per Eye (120 Hz total) .[154] All future versions of the HDMI specification will be made by the HDMI Forum that was created on October 25, 2011.

To be fair they have not mentioned the exact bandwidth available in HDMI 1.4 aux channel.

HDMI 2.0 should have marginally larger max bandwidth than DP 1.2 but then again there is no devices out atm that support HDMI 2.0 and by the time it's out we will probably have also DP 1.3a out already.

Anyway - at the end of the day it does not really matter what interface they use as long as it works well - I'm myself a bit biased in that regard as out of the 3 GFX cards in my rig I have only a single HDMI 1.4a (but this dev-kit is HDMI 1.4b) but have 8x DP 1.2a ports and 5x DP 1.1a ports at my disposal and I am not planning to upgrade my GFX card this year.
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1080p

This is disappointing... 1080P resolution at that distance leaves much to be desired...
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I have display ports galore, and no HDMI's on my Primary GPU.. frown.gif
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I am sure they have their reasons for going for HDMI in their devkits but I just hope that the final consumer version will support DP as well.

Remember they also need audio to be transmitted to the OR, so that would be one reason why they're using HDMI.

 

I'm not sure, but would extra inputs change the controller board used? If so, I think if forced they may pick HDMI, unless they feel most of their potential customer base has hardware with DP outputs, since many gamers use laptops - though I have no idea how those are doing tbh.

 

I think there's no need for the oculus rift to have audio support - most people would (i imagine) still be sitting in the same place with their headphones, and those that aren't (a minority) could simply buy an extension cable that they could (if necessary) wind around the main OR video cable. I definitely don't want a situation where the OR has an audio port next to my head that leaves my headphone cables dangling weirdly.

 

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1080p

This is disappointing... 1080P resolution at that distance leaves much to be desired...

 

1080p... Pentile. I wonder how much of a difference that'll make to clarity...

 

What I'm really hoping for is Oculus garnering enough sales to get their own custom screens made - whether that be 4K, RGB, curved, and/or some new technology.


Edited by Moragg - 3/19/14 at 1:11pm
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4k isnt 3800x2160, in case of OR its maybe total resolution 2000x2160
but yeah 1440p will be probably the thing to wait for, i guess next christmas lol

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