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What makes solder so much more expensive than thermal paste? A little bit of solder is pretty much free compared to the 200€+ price of the whole CPU. Or is it harder to manufacture with solder?
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If intel is bringing a K pentium, why wont they give us I3 K? I know that intel give K feature to the pentium because pentium is most known brand of intel products, but rly, overclockable I3 would sell like mad.
Because unlocked I3 would kill I5 sales. Why even bother with locked I5 when you can take I3 K,oc it and have same if not even better performance with gaming.
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Low end AMD chips just got a kick in the nuts.


Well I dunno, I just find the 95W limit more likely in intel's case. Can't know for sure I guess.

Tbh an unlocked Haswell Pentium will probably kick AMD's 'high end' stuff in the nuts as well tongue.gif
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im good with my current haswell...
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Tbh an unlocked Haswell Pentium will probably kick AMD's 'high end' stuff in the nuts as well tongue.gif
I'm sure unclocked pentiums will come with a nice increase in price.This may bring them into the price point of used Am3 cpu's. And old cpu's like PII x4 955/965 can compete with modern dual cores especially when oc'ed.A tad bit higher you can get fx6300 or PII x6 1045T both new.
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To everyone posting abut Intel using solder/not using solder, I'll refer you to my post in another thread:
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The problem with the smaller die sizes is that using solder will actually crack the die after being repeatedly cycled from high temperatures over time, which is why they need to use TIM. This was published a while ago; I will try to find the link later today when I have more time. The reason Haswell-E, Ivy-E, etc. have solder is because they have a larger TDP that requires it as well as a larger die that can effectively dissipate the heat through the solder without damaging the die under repeated thermal cycling. It's also easier to use solder on larger dies than on smaller dies due to the equipment and precision needed to do it properly.

-Strat

Edit: Source
Research paper on the subject

Now, if Intel finds a way to make this work and actually does solder the chips, that would be fantastic. However, I'll wait until they announce exactly what "Improved TIM" means before getting my hopes up about these chips being soldered.
Edited by MrStrat007 - 3/20/14 at 7:26am
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To everyone posting abut Intel using solder/not using solder, I'll refer you to my post in another thread:
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Originally Posted by MrStrat007 View Post

The problem with the smaller die sizes is that using solder will actually crack the die after being repeatedly cycled from high temperatures over time, which is why they need to use TIM. This was published a while ago; I will try to find the link later today when I have more time. The reason Haswell-E, Ivy-E, etc. have solder is because they have a larger TDP that requires it as well as a larger die that can effectively dissipate the heat through the solder without damaging the die under repeated thermal cycling. It's also easier to use solder on larger dies than on smaller dies due to the equipment and precision needed to do it properly.

-Strat

Edit: Source
Research paper on the subject

This is interesting. Guess the only way we'll get solder from future CPU's is by buying the high end ones with more cores tongue.gif
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Edit: same as source, please disregard!
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I'm glad that Intel is increasing the quality of thermal paste in their chips, but IMO they still need solder.
    
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I'm sure unclocked pentiums will come with a nice increase in price.This may bring them into the price point of used Am3 cpu's. And old cpu's like PII x4 955/965 can compete with modern dual cores especially when oc'ed.A tad bit higher you can get fx6300 or PII x6 1045T both new.

Overclockable Pentium sounds nice, but the fact that most software is transitioning to multi-core kinda makes it irrevalent.

I suspect the price of it would likely be similar to that of the FX-6300.
    
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