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I'm glad that Intel is increasing the quality of thermal paste in their chips, but IMO they still need solder.

Most of the problem is in the gap between IHS and die, if they fix that it's like a 10c drop alone
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By the time these release it will be a year since haswell released...

I don't see how a better product coming out a year later is screwing original customers. That's how the tech industry is supposed to work. I mean lately progress for enthusiasts has been painfully slow. In the past you waited 9 months and your chip got completely wrecked by something that performed a lot better. And now we have people saying that selling the same product, except shaving off 5-10C and bumping clocks by 100mhz a year after the original released screws over the original customer....

Exactly right. I don't see how people come to this conclusion either. You can always wait for their next release so your don't get 'screwed', but then, you'd never buy anything.

As for me, this refresh intrigues me, as does Haswell-E, even though I have NO reason to get it, except 'just cause.'

Also, if 4.5 is the norm on launch Haswell's, I wish someone would tell my 4770k that. It's delid'd and temps are great, but that punk still doesn't want to go beyond 4.4. At 4.5, I have to ramp up volts and it just gets unstable; pre-delib and after.

I hit the reverse chip lottery!!! sad-smiley-002.gif
Edited by LancerVI - 3/20/14 at 8:38am
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By the time these release it will be a year since haswell released...

I don't see how a better product coming out a year later is screwing original customers. That's how the tech industry is supposed to work. I mean lately progress for enthusiasts has been painfully slow. In the past you waited 9 months and your chip got completely wrecked by something that performed a lot better. And now we have people saying that selling the same product, except shaving off 5-10C and bumping clocks by 100mhz a year after the original released screws over the original customer....

These younger guys coming up... they all want something for nothing. tongue.gif
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By the time these release it will be a year since haswell released...

I don't see how a better product coming out a year later is screwing original customers. That's how the tech industry is supposed to work. I mean lately progress for enthusiasts has been painfully slow. In the past you waited 9 months and your chip got completely wrecked by something that performed a lot better. And now we have people saying that selling the same product, except shaving off 5-10C and bumping clocks by 100mhz a year after the original released screws over the original customer....

These younger guys coming up... they all want something for nothing. tongue.gif

Some people's first computers were in the Core generation of CPUs. They have no idea how far we have come.

That being said. I do have some critiques on the progress slow down. Stop embedding everything, create a non-iGPU flavor of processor for enthusiasts, and lastly, work on getting compilers on to newer, more efficient, instruction sets.
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Well to be fair I also count myself among the "younger guys". The first rig I actually built from scratch was based on an i7 860.

The first one I upgraded myself was athlon 64 3400+ based. And when I was a little kid I had a beastly pentium III setup.
 
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Well to be fair I also count myself among the "younger guys". The first rig I actually built from scratch was based on an i7 860.

The first one I upgraded myself was athlon 64 3400+ based. And when I was a little kid I had a beastly pentium III setup.

Noob <3
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...my current rig is still using an i7 860 frown.gif

I need to upgrade...
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Noob <3

LOL


My first build was a 386DX 25 with 1MB of RAM and a 40MB HD. DIY wasn't really a thing back then, but a good friend of mine owned a computer store.


My Pentium III 733 Slot 1 was probably one of my favorite setups. I don't know why, it just was. That thing just worked like no other computer I ever had up to that point.
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Intel: Improved TIM! We made major cost reduction on our end!
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Wait so can this work with z87 motherboards? If all I need is a bios update I'll be all over this assuming there's an actual improvement in temps.
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