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Steam reads mine accurately even my overclock. So that must put me over the top 99% already with this Athlon thumb.gif

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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post

Low-end, mid-range, high-end have always been determined by price. Performance has little to nothing to do with it.

10 years ago, if you spent $2000 to build an AMD FX-55 rig, that would be high end. If you could only afford to build a $600 Intel Celeron rig, that would be low end.

The same is true for other things, like cars or cameras.

Low-end, mid-range, high-end usually has nothing to do with performance.
Example: an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition cost over $1000 and was universally considered a "high-end" CPU, despite being beaten easily by AMD's FX-55.

You also cannot make a determination of low-end/midrange/high-end by comparing to older generations of hardware. Is a $50 Celeron today faster than a $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Edition? Of course. Does that mean a Celeron is "high-end"? compared to other current CPUs? No.

IMO:

Low end: rigs <$600
Midrange: rigs $600-1500
High-end: rigs >$1500
Think you will be on your own there. Most agree the performance is what classifies the CPU and then Price determines its value in that slot.
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Low-end, mid-range, high-end have always been determined by price. Performance has little to nothing to do with it.

10 years ago, if you spent $2000 to build an AMD FX-55 rig, that would be high end. If you could only afford to build a $600 Intel Celeron rig, that would be low end.

The same is true for other things, like cars or cameras.

Low-end, mid-range, high-end usually has nothing to do with performance.
Example: an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition cost over $1000 and was universally considered a "high-end" CPU, despite being beaten easily by AMD's FX-55.

You also cannot make a determination of low-end/midrange/high-end by comparing to older generations of hardware. Is a $50 Celeron today faster than a $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Edition? Of course. Does that mean a Celeron is "high-end"? compared to other current CPUs? No.

IMO:

Low end: rigs <$600
Midrange: rigs $600-1500
High-end: rigs >$1500

These days, I could see someone wanting to put an AMD CPU in a midrange rig, but very few people would consider an AMD CPU for a high-end rig costing over $1500.

So are you saying my sub $600 rig is not faster than much older and much more expensive rig?
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Low-end, mid-range, high-end have always been determined by price. Performance has little to nothing to do with it.

10 years ago, if you spent $2000 to build an AMD FX-55 rig, that would be high end. If you could only afford to build a $600 Intel Celeron rig, that would be low end.

The same is true for other things, like cars or cameras.

Low-end, mid-range, high-end usually has nothing to do with performance.
Example: an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition cost over $1000 and was universally considered a "high-end" CPU, despite being beaten easily by AMD's FX-55.

You also cannot make a determination of low-end/midrange/high-end by comparing to older generations of hardware. Is a $50 Celeron today faster than a $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Edition? Of course. Does that mean a Celeron is "high-end"? compared to other current CPUs? No.

IMO:

Low end: rigs <$600
Midrange: rigs $600-1500
High-end: rigs >$1500
Think you will be on your own there. Most agree the performance is what classifies the CPU and then Price determines its value in that slot.

I think it's rather the opposite. CPU "categories" are based on price, with value for money being a separate entity. Intel and AMD always release different classes of CPUs based on price (e.g. Celeron/Pentium/Core i3/Core i5/Core i7/Core i7 Extreme). Same with AMD.
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Steam reads mine accurately even my overclock. So that must put me over the top 99% already with this Athlon thumb.gif

Wonders never cease, it actually has mine right too. Cant get 3Dmark to get it right.
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Wonders never cease, it actually has mine right too. Cant get 3Dmark to get it right.

hehe I was actually shocked too biggrin.gif
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So are you saying my sub $600 rig is not faster than much older and much more expensive rig?

Let's put this in a way that you can understand.

Is a 2014 Honda Civic faster than a 1960s Aston Martin DB4? Undoubtedly. Does that make a Honda Civic a high-end car? Not to anyone in their right mind.
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Let's put this in a way that you can understand.

Is a 2014 Honda Civic faster than a ? Undoubtedly. Does that make a Honda Civic a high-end car? Not to anyone in their right mind.

Yeah but also many more people own a Honda Civic. I don't know anyone that owns a 1960s Aston Martin DB4, or even a Lamborghini.

And, I bet your random neighbor down the street doesn't know anyone with an i7 Extreme with Titan 4 way-SLI thumb.gif They are really few and far between.
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I think it's rather the opposite. CPU "categories" are based on price, with value for money being a separate entity. Intel and AMD always release different classes of CPUs based on price (e.g. Celeron/Pentium/Core i3/Core i5/Core i7/Core i7 Extreme). Same with AMD.
Those are designations within the company and nowhere do you see Highend Lowend, or mid grade in listings of either, bad for less powerful chip sales. Those type of qualifiers are what we in the industry as consumers attach to said chips to predetermine what level of performance to expect. Price is not always indicative of performance. Case in point, the A10-7850K beating a 3960X/K (cant remember the designation) when HSA is enabled. Huge difference in price. By your definition the low end CPU/APU beat out the High end CPU. Doesn't make much sense when only price is the determination.
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Don't know, they never directly asked me. Most programs get mine wrong. I don't think they read FSB OCs, so mine is actually 4.84Ghz and most read mine at 4.4Ghz, difference being 220FSB to 200FSB stock.

We would need to verify how they find that information, even then its not given involuntarily.
    
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