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Well now that rational conversation is out of the window it appears we just have your A-typical intel~amd flame war on our hands, nice toms hardware little kiddies playground all over again.
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In this house I have 4 systems as follows,

FX4170@5ghz - HD7870 - Son 1
FX8120@4.6ghz - HD7870 - Son 2
FX820@4.8ghz - GTX 770 - Wife
4770K@4.7 - GTX 780 - Me

They all play games perfectly well and are sufficient for every day use. Buy what suits your needs and your budget and be happy imo. I have no brand loyalty or preference, just simply bought what could afford at the time and what qualified as sensible purchases for the end user. They have all provided adequate performance in a wide variety of games.
post #153 of 355
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the 8320 is over 1.5 years old, actually. And OCing makes a huge difference not none. More you type the more your Intel love shows.

And the more you type, the more your AMD love shows. See how easy that was? No point in going down that route.

If you want to talk about exact age, the 2600K (essentially the same as the 2700K) came out on January 3, 2011. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Even when it was released, it was a midrange CPU. Intel had higher-end CPUs even back then (the 980X), and they have progressed quite a lot since then.

So, take this 3.5 year old Intel midrange chip, and it still can beat AMD's latest (the FX-8320, 8350, etc) in a benchmark which heavily favors AMD (7-Zip).

The facts speak for themselves. Someone who built an overclocked midrange 2600K rig 3.5 years ago would still have better performance today than a current AMD rig, even when the AMD rig is overclocked.
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post #154 of 355
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And the more you type, the more your AMD love shows. See how easy that was? No point in going down that route.

If you want to talk about exact age, the 2600K (essentially the same as the 2700K) came out on January 3, 2011. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Even when it was released, it was a midrange CPU. Intel had higher-end CPUs even back then (the 980X), and they have progressed quite a lot since then.

So, take this 3.5 year old Intel midrange chip, and it still can beat AMD's latest (the FX-8320, 8350, etc) in a benchmark which heavily favors AMD (7-Zip).

The facts speak for themselves. Someone who built an overclocked midrange 2600K rig 3.5 years ago would still have better performance today than a current AMD rig, even when the AMD rig is overclocked.
Oh yeah, I do love AMD but unlike you I don't need to bash others choices. Notice I haven't said anything negative about Intel or condemned the choice of another. And by the way the 2600 is not above the performance level of the 8350, if anything it is on par to behind.
post #155 of 355
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Erm, to use that 7-Zip benchmark you gave as one example. That's a benchmark that heavily favors AMD, with its heavily threaded and integer-heavy usage. It's just about the best-case scenario for an AMD processor, and one of the few benchmarks where AMD doesn't get destroyed by Intel.

Even in this AMD-favored benchmark, my 2.5 year old i7 gets around 28,000 at my current overclocks. I paid about $300 for the CPU 2.5 years ago, certainly not "out of reach of many consumers", as you say. I consider my i7 to be a solidly mid-range CPU, nothing more.

Even after you overclock your FX-8320, it's not going to do much better than that, if it does better at all.

And we're talking about 2.5 year old midrange Intel hardware here. The title of this thread refers to AMD being good for midrange or high-end.

How can they be good for midrange/high end if the newest AMD CPUs can't beat a 2.5 year old Intel CPU in a benchmark that heavily favors AMD?
Mind you, being heavily threaded doesn't actually mean it's actually "AMD optimized". AMD cpus can perform just as good but some effort has to be put towards optimization. As it currently stands, a substantial amount of programs are developed to perform optimally on intel hardware by default leaving AMD to play catch up that isn't possible. BF4 has shown that these CPUs are much closer in performance than synthetics show.
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post #156 of 355
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And the more you type, the more your AMD love shows. See how easy that was? No point in going down that route.

If you want to talk about exact age, the 2600K (essentially the same as the 2700K) came out on January 3, 2011. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Almost 3 and a half years ago. Even when it was released, it was a midrange CPU. Intel had higher-end CPUs even back then (the 980X), and they have progressed quite a lot since then.

So, take this 3.5 year old Intel midrange chip, and it still can beat AMD's latest (the FX-8320, 8350, etc) in a benchmark which heavily favors AMD (7-Zip).

The facts speak for themselves. Someone who built an overclocked midrange 2600K rig 3.5 years ago would still have performance better today than a current AMD rig, even when the AMD rig is overclocked.

2600k is $340
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070

8320 is $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113285


For a lot of us, the price point is a major factor. For me, I have an 8350, and it handles games like Titanfall just fine. There's no point *for me* to pay almost double for a CPU when I can get one cheap that is decently powerful.

Would I want a monster like an Intel? Heck yes! Maybe someday I will go nuts and get the newest i7 out there. I just don't have money to throw at something like that at this point.
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I still won't switch. That 2.5 year old Intel CPU costed $300 new, this costs $150 new. And the i7 itself isn't out of reach to everyone, but to get a good quality board, and other components, the costs just pile up.
    
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post #158 of 355
All this brand vs brand rubbish is still a thing? I'm sure most people simply dislike both companies and buy the best they can afford at the time.
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It is actually surprising (although this is only remotely related to the current topic) on how modest systems one can play games and get actually pretty decent experience out of it.

For example, AMD 1055 + AMD 6770 was actually capable of driving many games including some modern ones at payable frame-rates at 10 megapixels resolution. GFX settings were ofc somewhere in the "low" region and fps around 40, but still, a 100$ GFX card was actually capable of driving a resolution that is 25% higher than 4K in a game. Including games like Metro 2033 (in DX 9 mode) and the like.
Then there is my take on at "250 EUR gaming PC" few years back:

That is AMD Sempron 140, unlocked to dualcore and having a mild OC + 4870 GFX card. 8 GB of RAM, some HDD, cheapest PSU + case. It was surprisingly decent back then at 1280x1024 in games like Unreal 3 and Source engine ones. Was done back then to show a point that the consoles are getting way too old if you can beat them with off the shelf parts by a wide margin at the same price-point.

I believe that AMD still is holding it's ground at the lower end gaming segment with their APU's and with the fact that some of their offerings can unlock still or overclock without having to pay for "k". It's when one is getting into ~700 EUR price range where Intel offerings start to look more attractive if you are doing the fresh build for gaming. I mean HSA is all nice and stuff but if you are building a gaming PC today you should go with best bang for buck today not with something that might or might not release in immediate future. HSA talk has been there for a while, same way as back in 2009 the GPU acceleration in most programs was supposed to be right around the corner. Which is still yet to happen. Or like MST hubs were supposed to be released back in 2010 when AMD released 6xxx series claiming that they can do 6 screen eyefinity with just 2 display-ports. These hubs released at last in the middle of 2013. So by all accounts one might be in for a long wait if going for "8 core" because games are supposed to utilize all 8 cores well in any near day now. Besides I still think that calling AMD module 2 cores is marketing same way as calling i7 two threads as two cores would be marketing. AMD does dedicate a bit more die space for their version of hyper-threading but I am running mostly floating point loads and there is only 4 floating point units in their "8 core" chips. In that regard i7's are similar for me, basically running 8 threads with my load gives me close to the the same performance as running 4 threads (which is the count of real cores in my i7).
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Besides I still think that calling AMD module 2 cores is marketing same way as calling i7 two threads as two cores would be marketing. AMD does dedicate a bit more die space for their version of hyper-threading but I am running mostly floating point loads and there is only 4 floating point units in their "8 core" chips. In that regard i7's are similar for me, basically running 8 threads with my load gives me close to the the same performance as running 4 threads (which is the count of real cores in my i7).

Yes, the FX uses shared FPU instead of physical FPUs like in Thuban and older CPU cores. It's a 256 bit one split into 2 128 bit ones. Personally it would have been better for AMD to just use 8 128 bit FPUs like in Thuban, because shared FPU does hinder down CPU performance quite a bit. With more powerful floating point units, the FX could easily make its way to the top.
    
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