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Personally it would have been better for AMD to just use 8 128 bit FPUs like in Thuban, because shared FPU does hinder down CPU performance quite a bit. With more powerful floating point units, the FX could easily make its way to the top.

Even like that, the Intel processors would still perform better due to better cache handling and faster instruction processing. But AMD would be really close, the end results would benefit the Intel equivalent like 60% of the time, instead of (approximately) 85% as things are now. AMD processors would be competitive in a more serious manner than how the AMD fans currently define.

Of course in that case, prices and available processor models would be shuffled again. We could probably even see some intel quad cores with hyper threading near the 200$ mark.

Well, too bad this is not the case.
post #162 of 355
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Yes, the FX uses shared FPU instead of physical FPUs like in Thuban and older CPU cores. It's a 256 bit one split into 2 128 bit ones. Personally it would have been better for AMD to just use 8 128 bit FPUs like in Thuban, because shared FPU does hinder down CPU performance quite a bit. With more powerful floating point units, the FX could easily make its way to the top.
The FPU isn't a huge deal. It is wasted in most daily tasks anyway.
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The FPU isn't a huge deal. It is wasted in most daily tasks anyway.

Yeah, no one uses emulators or plays games nowadays. Totally useless stuff. I mean, when the CPU's integer unit can do software rendering, who needs a GPU? tongue.gif
post #164 of 355
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Yeah, no one uses emulators or plays games nowadays. Totally useless stuff. I mean, when the CPU's integer unit can do software rendering, who needs a GPU? tongue.gif
point being my 8350 shows no sign of sub-par performance. Most agree the FPU isn't greatly used in EVERYDAY usage including gaming to the point that the user visually suffers.
post #165 of 355
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Most agree the FPU isn't greatly used in EVERYDAY usage including gaming to the point that the user visually suffers.

Ahhhh, so AMD made Mantle just for laughs. Now I see! Probably wanted to use it as a cape to play superhero or something.

Apparently since the FPU isn't used for gaming, you don't need a GPU either. Just a video card to output the graphics, while the CPU does rendering... on its integer units. tongue.gif

It all makes sense now. biggrin.gif
post #166 of 355
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Ahhhh, so AMD made Mantle just for laughs. Now I see! Probably wanted to use it as a cape to play superhero or something.

Apparently since the FPU isn't used for gaming, you don't need a GPU either. Just a video card to output the graphics, while the CPU does rendering... on its integer units. tongue.gif

It all makes sense now. biggrin.gif
so you wanna try staying on task or keep taking statements out of context. Key word CONTEXT.
post #167 of 355
When I speak of high-end vs. low-end and the spectrum in between, I am not talking about all the computer hardware currently in use/circulation; I am talking about what one would look when building a system now, based on price, performance, and availability.

AMD does not have any high-end solutions. They can compete to a fair degree in the mid-range, but once you look beyond the price of an FX-8350, AMD is either a poor value (the FX-9000 series), or simply doesn't have any parts in the higher-end price or performance segments (there is no AM3+ processor in existence that is a match for an SB-E or Ivy-E hex core in much of anything, and prices reflect this).

If all you care about is gaming, and you are mostly encountering GPU limited scenarios, you do not need a high-end CPU to get acceptable results. Being able to get "high-end" results, on the condition that the CPU is not the limiting factor, does not make the CPU a high-end part.
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When I speak of high-end vs. low-end and the spectrum in between, I am not talking about all the computer hardware currently in use/circulation; I am talking about what one would look when building a system now, based on price, performance, and availability.

AMD does not have any high-end solutions. They can compete to a fair degree in the mid-range, but once you look beyond the price of an FX-8350, AMD is either a poor value (the FX-9000 series), or simply doesn't have any parts in the higher-end price or performance segments (there is no AM3+ processor in existence that is a match for an SB-E or Ivy-E hex core in much of anything, and prices reflect this).

If all you care about is gaming, and you are mostly encountering GPU limited scenarios, you do not need a high-end CPU to get acceptable results. Being able to get "high-end" results, on the condition that the CPU is not the limiting factor, does not make the CPU a high-end part.

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If all you care about is gaming, and you are mostly encountering GPU limited scenarios, you do not need a high-end CPU to get acceptable results. Being able to get "high-end" results, on the condition that the CPU is not the limiting factor, does not make the CPU a high-end part.

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As for this FX, I can literally feel the performance both in everyday tasks and especially CPU intensive ones. Went from a 7500 MIPS in 7z to 21000 MIPS, what an upgrade.

21000? Bloomfield pulls better MIPS than that

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