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oh AND ABOUT MOSFET I SEEN A POST ON THE FORUM ABOUT SOME MSI MOBO CATCHING IN FIRE biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by bonami2 View Post

my fx 6300 and 7950 at 1100 core will kick all budget intel cpu to death.... Poor i3 celeron and pentium rest in peace devil.gif

The i3-4330 trades blows with an FX-6350 in gaming:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

OC that FX chip to 5ghz, then it beats the i3 in *most* (not all) games.
     
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A mosfet catching fire? Oh my, how uncommon! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

The i3-4330 trades blows with an FX-6350 in gaming:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

OC that FX chip to 5ghz, then it beats the i3 in *most* (not all) games.




http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/


down there there is an i3 tongue.gif




oh did not know this chip i3 smile.gif but fx 6300 release in 2012 vs this 2013 took some time to intel to compete.... anyways my chip is unlocked biggrin.gif








oh and btw the benchmark look gpu bound rolleyes.gif
Edited by bonami2 - 3/27/14 at 6:45am
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If you find yourself in disbelief, ask yourself: How could a temperature probe on the outside of the CPU (socket temp) measure a HIGHER temperature than reported core temp? The heat SOURCE is the core of the CPU, as heat dissipates from that location, the temperatures steadily decrease. (When thermal energy is SPREAD OUT temperatures are REDUCED). The only possible way, for a socket to report higher temps than the core, is if one of them is WAY OFF from reality. The AMD core temp reporting is nothing more than a relative concept within the confines of an unknown algorithm.

My core temps are always higher than my socket temps after 45C (when the internal diode becomes meaningful) because I have a 92mm fan on the back of the mobo with lots of cool air behind it and a fan blowing on the vrms thats angled also towards the cpu socket. I believe the reason most others have higher socket temps is because of the trapped hot air around the motherboard sensor thats under the cpu. Fortunately, the 1/16th inch fiberglass mother board has a R factor of way less than 1.

But youre correct, neither the intel or amd diodes are calibrated instruments and are relative concepts within the confines of an unknown algorithm of an unknown actual temperature. And we dont know who is being more conservative with their Tjmax numbers, heh.

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1,414 °C - Googled it
A better question is the melting point of the epoxy glue used to laminate the fiberglass in the motherboard. Most of the epoxies Ive looked at, that are reasonable in price, dont have a very high temperature threshold. Also keep in mind this is Chinese epoxy glue. 150C (and maybe less) and you may start to get some delamination. eek.gif And that just makes for a dandy time while overclocking, heh. tongue.gif
Edited by cpmee - 3/27/14 at 7:27am
    
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i think im going to add a fan myself i tried it sometime ago but i need to cut a hole in the back panel smile.gif


but i think intel sensor are real one
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but i need to cut a hole in the back panel
Yeah, not all cases have open back panels, which adds even more to the stored heat around the motherboard sensor.
    
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I disagree completely, if that is your logic then this same applies to i7+HT, they also have two threads sharing resources meant for a single core/thread. This decreases efficiency of a single threaded tasks. FX arch is like having an i5 and adding HT in hardware, it's very similar to physically implemented HyperThreading. Only flaw is the single-core performance (IPC) of AMD processors.

Aaaaand I am very sorry, but you are wrong...

If you are using an i5 with HT (an i7) you are able to use the full performance of one core for one thread, or (close to) that full performance spread over two threads, so half of the performance on each thread. Each module of the FX processors can handle one thread at the full performance of one of its cores. If you give it two threads it theoretically will run like a dual core, but because of the subsystem cuts it runs slower.

A single intel core with HT can handle one thread at its full speed or two at half speed. A bulldozer module can not distribute the load it gets over both cores, as each core is separate from the other, it can't share threads over multiple cores.
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While it's great that modern console gaming will push games to make better use of 8+ threads, I don't see it having a massive impact on PC gaming because an modern desktop quad core can basically process 8 threads in the same time it will take AMD's XB1/PS4 custom Jaguar CPU.
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While it's great that modern console gaming will push games to make better use of 8+ threads, I don't see it having a massive impact on PC gaming because an modern desktop quad core can basically process 8 threads in the same time it will take AMD's XB1/PS4 custom Jaguar CPU.

It's easier to make multiple threads bigger than to split a large thread into smaller ones.
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