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Sb->Ivy new mobo
Ivy-Maxwell new mobo

Intel is the first choice for high end and they have the performance in most benchmarks vs amd. But please this is a lame excuse. And i doubt anyone wants a really old chipset with a new cpu.

Here's the problem with your argument.

Someone who built a SB rig when it released in early 2011 has no need to upgrade (except for bragging rights, I presume).

My 2700K @ 5 GHz is still much faster than an overclocked FX-8320. And it won't bottleneck a high-end GPU like a GTX 780, whereas the FX-8320 will. I'm happy to provide benchmarks to back up that point.

On the other hand, someone who built a FX-8150 rig on release is already going to be heavily bottlenecked, and when that person needs to upgrade, the only way to get a significant performance improvement is to go Intel. Going to an FX-8320 isn't going to help them, because it will still bottleneck even a single high end GPU.

So basically, if you go AMD, you're just delaying the inevitable CPU upgrade down the line when you upgrade GPUs. With Intel, even a 3-4 year old i5 or i7 has no problems keeping up with today's high-end GPUs. Yes you pay more up front, but an Intel chip stays relevant much longer than an AMD one.

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You told someone that if he has a 8320 he needs to update but he needs to upgrade his mobo too. Which is true but for intel too. People are okay with the 8350 performance and they dont want to upgrade. 8350 is a capable chip and gaming is not the only reason to get a good cpu.
I would update easily from a 2500k/2600k because i dont want to crossifre/sli with pcie2.0 x8.So i need to upgrade my mobo. Like amd

Do you understand that graphs spam doesnt make you right?
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hey guy stop showing game optimised like a drunk guy Crysis 3 is an example of how a well coded game can use a 8 core

battlefield 4 is good too but it coded like crap..

Mantle make my fx 6300 on ultra well over 60 fps on 1080p rolleyes.gif





Game need optimisation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The world started making economic car


Pc gaming is still in the rock age trying to MORE HORSE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Just spin and waste



Anyone is with me? Look at world of warcraft still running after 10 years with older hardware and new
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post

What happens when someone with a FX-8320 rig wants to upgrade?

They have to go Intel. AMD has nothing to replace FX on the desktop side, so it's a dead-end.

When you do that upgrade, let's see:

-New CPU
-New mobo
-New cooler


Might as well go with a proper i5/i7 CPU in the first place when building a rig with a high-end GPU.
that doesn't make any sense. you make it seem like you don't have to get new parts when upgrading Intels. and what is funny is that AMD has better forward and backwards compatibility with their am3+ and fm2 and I don't know where you got the idea of needing a new cooler from. the cooling hasn't changed since am2. and Intel has an upper limit as well. nobody even needs an i7 for gaming or GPU intensive tasks
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Here's the problem with your argument.

Someone who built a SB rig when it released in early 2011 has no need to upgrade (except for bragging rights, I presume).

My 2700K @ 5 GHz is still much faster than an overclocked FX-8320. And it won't bottleneck a high-end GPU like a GTX 780, whereas the FX-8320 will. I'm happy to provide benchmarks to back up that point.

On the other hand, someone who built a FX-8150 rig on release is already going to be heavily bottlenecked, and when that person needs to upgrade, the only way to get a significant performance improvement is to go Intel. Going to an FX-8320 isn't going to help them, because it will still bottleneck even a single high end GPU.

So basically, if you go AMD, you're just delaying the inevitable CPU upgrade down the line when you upgrade GPUs. With Intel, even a 3-4 year old i5 or i7 has no problems keeping up with today's high-end GPUs. Yes you pay more up front, but an Intel chip stays relevant much longer than an AMD one.

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i7 2700K sells for $349,FX-8320 sells for $159. I don't get why anyone would make a unbalanced rig with a sub $200 CPU then spend $600 on a graphics card,IMO you're pulling at straws here.
Keeping a setup for 3-4 years isn't relevant to most of us on OCN either,you get your moneys worth out of the CPU/GPU then sell it a year or less later,and you still get 50-70% of the original value.
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that doesn't make any sense. you make it seem like you don't have to get new parts when upgrading Intels. and what is funny is that AMD has better forward and backwards compatibility with their am3+ and fm2 and I don't know where you got the idea of needing a new cooler from. the cooling hasn't changed since am2. and Intel has an upper limit as well. nobody even needs an i7 for gaming or GPU intensive tasks
Exactly, most "real-world" gaming setups i see that are intel based use an i5,no gamer really needs hyperthreading.
if you want to upgrade from IB to Haswell,Intel makes you upgrade your motherboard.
Edited by Heavy MG - 3/29/14 at 6:41pm
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well since i see here someone thinks that your going to "bottle necked" for using an AMD cpu i have a little link i would like to share smile.gif

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170023-amd-vs-intel-the-ultimate-gaming-showdown-5ghz-fx-9590-vs-i7-4960x

look at those charts and please tell me for gaming purposes "wich im assuming most of us are building rigs for" that intel highest offering cpu for $1000.00 is worth it over amd highest offering cpu for $350.00
Edited by arcticchill360 - 3/29/14 at 7:23pm
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Sb->Ivy new mobo
Ivy-Maxwell new mobo

Intel is the first choice for high end and they have the performance in most benchmarks vs amd. But please this is a lame excuse. And i doubt anyone wants a really old chipset with a new cpu.

Here's the problem with your argument.

Someone who built a SB rig when it released in early 2011 has no need to upgrade (except for bragging rights, I presume).

My 2700K @ 5 GHz is still much faster than an overclocked FX-8320. And it won't bottleneck a high-end GPU like a GTX 780, whereas the FX-8320 will. I'm happy to provide benchmarks to back up that point.

On the other hand, someone who built a FX-8150 rig on release is already going to be heavily bottlenecked, and when that person needs to upgrade, the only way to get a significant performance improvement is to go Intel. Going to an FX-8320 isn't going to help them, because it will still bottleneck even a single high end GPU.

So basically, if you go AMD, you're just delaying the inevitable CPU upgrade down the line when you upgrade GPUs. With Intel, even a 3-4 year old i5 or i7 has no problems keeping up with today's high-end GPUs. Yes you pay more up front, but an Intel chip stays relevant much longer than an AMD one.






Ok, you see where Intel hex is in those graphs? These are not very well multi-threaded games. Would you look at these benchmarks and then conclude that 3930k is slower than 4770k? maybe in single thread but the 3930k still has 50% more cores.

But what I"m getting at is that you're cherry picking benchmarks. You showed three low threaded games out of three benchmarks. That's not a real world representation because more than 0% of all games can scale well to multiple cores.

If anything, the point of those graphs are that more than 4 cores are a waste of time. If you are to conclude that FX is not only bad at gaming, but a slower CPU overall, then you're going to have to admit that 3930k and 4930k are also slower than 4770k, because that's what your cherry picked benchmarks are showing.
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There is no amd or intel is better. Both are suited well for different reasons and purposes. Intel is usually faster than amd, yes that is true. But intel comes at a cost. Cpu is 2x's the price, mb is $50+ more. Ive said it many times, you take a fx 8320 and a 4770k and put them in a system with same gpu, same ram and same hard drive. Fire up a game and i guarantee no one here can tell which one is faster. Now if you game, is it worth spending the extra $ to be able to see nothing out of it?
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you can see it in singlethreaded dual game but even then most of time im gpu bottlenecked with my 7950 overclocked lol
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post

Here's the problem with your argument.

Someone who built a SB rig when it released in early 2011 has no need to upgrade (except for bragging rights, I presume).

My 2700K @ 5 GHz is still much faster than an overclocked FX-8320. And it won't bottleneck a high-end GPU like a GTX 780, whereas the FX-8320 will. I'm happy to provide benchmarks to back up that point.

On the other hand, someone who built a FX-8150 rig on release is already going to be heavily bottlenecked, and when that person needs to upgrade, the only way to get a significant performance improvement is to go Intel. Going to an FX-8320 isn't going to help them, because it will still bottleneck even a single high end GPU.

So basically, if you go AMD, you're just delaying the inevitable CPU upgrade down the line when you upgrade GPUs. With Intel, even a 3-4 year old i5 or i7 has no problems keeping up with today's high-end GPUs. Yes you pay more up front, but an Intel chip stays relevant much longer than an AMD one.

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Actually I guess that is two. Oh sorry forgot, you didn't miss them, you left them out because they don't show what lies you wish to tell. Oh well they are here none the less.
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