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Originally Posted by steadly2004 View Post

Are we on "just good enough".net or overclock? We don't go for " might be OK for most. That wouldn't be us, then it'd be "stockclocks".Net lol

I can't really quote how well a lower CPU does though since I try to upgrade when I can to whatever is 2nd best.

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OK so are we on "everybody needs to have a 4960X at 7Ghz on Ln2.net" ? or are we on an enthusiast site that is made in the spirit of performance regardless of make or fanboy status.

Nobody here is bragging about stock clocks. almost everybody runs some degree of OC, which is good it is the purpose of the site. This doesn't mean the ultra elite get to crap on everyone else because their system isn't "on their level" Why so much e peen now a days? Didn't used to be like this.
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Originally Posted by steadly2004 View Post

Are we on "just good enough".net or overclock? We don't go for " might be OK for most. That wouldn't be us, then it'd be "stockclocks".Net lol

I can't really quote how well a lower CPU does though since I try to upgrade when I can to whatever is 2nd best.

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Cheap CPUs overclock too. Your i7 that costs more than my whole rig doesn't make any more visible FPS on my 60Hz monitor than my my $80 Athlon.
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So can we just agree that AMD is good "enough" do do basically anything and intel is the absolute ultra best for benching and maxing FPS (regardless if they are practical or not)

You don't need a $375 i7 or even a $250 i5 to get 60+ FPS in 99% of the games using the resolution 90% of gamers are still using (1080p) In all honesty an AMD chip costing $120 is perfectly capable of the task 90-95% of gamers need it to do. Now for that ultra elite 5-10% that need to push every game maxed to the moon at 120+ FPS with 4 780Ti's on a 4K display, yes intel holds an advantage for you. That said you are not the majority of gamers.

Yes, that's correct, but how you would you define the "mid-high end" this thread and the other one asked about? There's a whole bunch of stuff you can buy. I want AMD to compete with the top, you know. frown.gif

On Intel's side there's a range that starts with Pentium's for $70, there's i3 for $140, locked i5's around $200, the unlocked i5 for $240, the i7-4770k at $340, and then there's the i7-4930k for $580. Where would you want to compare if you call something "mid-high end"?

Either i5 or i7 shouldn't exist really. The i5 shouldn't have hyper-threading disabled. The i7 should exist at the price of the i5. Locking the CPUs is annoying. I bet for Intel there's not a single cent difference in manufacturing costs between all i5 and i7, except for the LGA2011 six-core stuff of course. If AMD had CPUs for the full range from low end to high end, the whole market would behave differently and everyone could be happy. The list in the last paragraph should actually have totally different prices after the i5. frown.gif
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Yes, that's correct, but how you would you define the "mid-high end" this thread and the other one asked about? There's a whole bunch of stuff you can buy. I want AMD to compete with the top, you know. frown.gif

On Intel's side there's a range that starts with Pentium's for $70, there's i3 for $140, locked i5's around $200, the unlocked i5 for $240, the i7-4770k at $340, and then there's the i7-4930k for $580. Where would you want to compare if you call something "mid-high end"?

Either i5 or i7 shouldn't exist really. The i5 shouldn't have hyper-threading disabled. The i7 should exist at the price of the i5. Locking the CPUs is annoying. I bet for Intel there's not a single cent difference in manufacturing costs between all i5 and i7, except for the LGA2011 six-core stuff of course. If AMD had CPUs for the full range from low end to high end, the whole market would behave differently and everyone could be happy. The list in the last paragraph should actually have totally different prices after the i5. frown.gif

Trust me my rig is way high-end compared to the rest of the pcs I've seen around here in Eight Mile!!!
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And I can find you plenty more where the tests are not done with a stock 4770k. Buying a 4770k to use at stock is an idiotic move, as the 4770 is actually a better CPU to buy for stock.
Again anyone clocking a K variant at the same speed as an S or regular variant is clueless.

You never answered my question regarding how they are different? Yet you keep spewing gibberish about the overclock of a 4770K.

Fact of the matter is, a 4770K, 4770S are the same processor. The very SAME point I made regarding a 750K, 760K are the same as 5800K and 6800K.

I wasn't even talking about overclock potential. If you want to talk 4770K overclock potential, please head over to the Intel CPU section and start a thread there.
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I would always invest in the K model. Might want to OC a couple years later instead of upgrading.
this ^

While I agree with some things, OCing will not add lifespan to your CPU. If a piece of software is too hard on your CPU now, then an OC will not allow it to run satisfactory. future proofing is not a good idea with technology
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I gotta side with the people saying an Athlon is bad for gaming. It's not even benchmarked on sites that bench CPUs for gaming performance, like in that Thief link. It has no L3 cache. I honestly wouldn't recommend one of those to anyone, you'd be far better off with even a used Phenom II and cheap motherboard. It doesn't matter how much you overclock it if it has no L3 cache, slow cache and low IPC.

LinusTechTips and Austin Evans, both very well known reviewers and PC experts both recommend the Athlons for budget gaming, so you are wrong there, they might not be benched, but they are very popular in cheaper gaming rigs.
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While I agree with some things, OCing will not add lifespan to your CPU. If a piece of software is too hard on your CPU now, then an OC will not allow it to run satisfactory. future proofing is not a good idea with technology

not understanding your logic.

lets say a demanding game runs fine on 4670k at stock that just came out this year.

what about 3 years from now and new demanding game comes out that requires a gpu upgrade and a new cpu? Except overclocking a 4670k to say 4.2ghz along with gpu upgrade can run it just fine. Cpus last more than one gpu cycle when Overclocking is accounted for.

strong cpu like 2500k for example last many cycles because it overclocked so well. I know people who have paired thier 2500k with the 3rd gpu upgrade now.
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not understanding your logic.

lets say a demanding game runs fine on 4670k at stock that just came out this year.

what about 3 years from now and new demanding game comes out that requires a gpu upgrade and a new cpu? Except overclocking a 4670k to say 4.2ghz along with gpu upgrade can run it just fine. Cpus last more than one gpu cycle when Overclocking is accounted for.

strong cpu like 2500k for example last many cycles because it overclocked so well. I know people who have paired thier 2500k with the 3rd gpu upgrade now.

The 2500K is still relevant because it's simply a strong workhorse CPU. Overclocking CPU can usually only bridge the gap one CPU generation. Example: Sandy overclocked is as good as a stock Ivy, but not a stock Haswell. Phenom II to Bulldozer is very much an exception, however.
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Years have passed since i heard that for the first time. What happend? nothing. First example - MMO games. Heavy CPU utilization and multicore support in most of modern mmo games, intel is better. RTS games - Star Craft 2 and Shogun Total War 2 - Intel wins again. I highly doubt that AMD will be able to catch up with intel. Even when programmers and developers will bring us more and more games written for that AMD cpu that is inside of todays consoles and ported for PC. Dont forget that jaguar in consoles is not a typical x86 CPU.

AMD is in deep poop right now, and they should fix that rly fast. otherwise Intel will stop doing anything new. Look at haswell and haswell R for best example. Tic Toc strategy got delayed. Intel some time ago was giving us newer steppings and higher models. Now they are starting to call this a new generation of their CPUs.. Remember thuban from AMD and how good it was? Intel was so afraid of it that right after premiere of X6 phenoms they started to lower prices of higher i7 (bloomfields 9x0) CPUs to the lvl of lower models. THAT WAS 50% PRICE REDUCTION. Have you seen that today? It does not happend since SB... and we are about to get broadwell.. (SB, IvB, Haswell, Haswell R and Broadwell, that is a lot of CPU generations). Sure Intel is no charity, neither do AMD. And i wont like to be milked.
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