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Originally Posted by damric View Post

Let's talk facts.

Fact: This is a sample of all CPUs with associated Steam Accounts. This is a good sample of the gaming PC population. They likely have better PCs than most non-gaming PCs, such as those in your middle-school library.



So just looking at Intel Windows Steam Machines, you have:

A whopping 0.36% with 3.7GHz or above tongue.gif

And almost 85% of the rest are still less than 3.3GHz biggrin.gif

So where do you draw the lines on this chart for mid-range and high end?

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Well unfortunately it is skewed due to so many laptop users. But you are correct that what WE see as tiers is not indicative of REAL world use.
post #92 of 355
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Originally Posted by damric View Post

Let's talk facts.

Fact: This is a sample of all CPUs with associated Steam Accounts. This is a good sample of the gaming PC population. They likely have better PCs than most non-gaming PCs, such as those in your middle-school library.



So just looking at Intel Windows Steam Machines, you have:

A whopping 0.36% with 3.7GHz or above tongue.gif

And almost 85% of the rest are still less than 3.3GHz biggrin.gif

So where do you draw the lines on this chart for mid-range and high end?

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+rep for doing the research to bring this data to the discussion. Relevant, and extremely useful data for this debate!!
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Are you saying that FX CPUs can routinely do >5 GHz on air?
Looked to me like you were referring to me and seeing how I said none of that the only way for you to get that was if English isn't your first language. Not a personal attack but an assumption to what seemed a very poor interpretation of what I wrote.
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So just looking at Intel Windows Steam Machines, you have:

A whopping 0.36% with 3.7GHz or above tongue.gif

a; Laptops

b; 4770k and 3930k are below 3.7ghz stock bro, they're 3.5 and 3.2 iirc
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a; Laptops

b; 4770k and 3930k are below 3.7ghz stock bro, they're 3.5 and 3.2 iirc

So are you saying AMD and Intel do or do not compare the same in laptops?

Are you saying 3.2, 3.5, or 3.7 is mid-range or high end or what? Exactly where do you delineate all of us inferiors to your superior?
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+rep for doing the research to bring this data to the discussion. Relevant, and extremely useful data for this debate!!

What does steam use to find CPU frequency? I certainly hope its not Windows rolleyes.gif
    
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So are you saying AMD and Intel do or do not compare the same in laptops?

Are you saying 3.2, 3.5, or 3.7 is mid-range or high end or what? Exactly where do you delineate all of us inferiors to your superior?
Rather clock speeds have little to do with it. It would be more to end result of work load. Say in Gaming achieving 60FPS,120FPS and such with certain AA levels and a minimum Framerate.
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What does steam use to find CPU frequency? I certainly hope its not Windows rolleyes.gif
Don't know, they never directly asked me. Most programs get mine wrong. I don't think they read FSB OCs, so mine is actually 4.84Ghz and most read mine at 4.4Ghz, difference being 220FSB to 200FSB stock.
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So are you saying AMD and Intel do or do not compare the same in laptops?

Are you saying 3.2, 3.5, or 3.7 is mid-range or high end or what? Exactly where do you delineate all of us inferiors to your superior?

I'm saying ghz is not a measure of performance in a void and you can't call a processor low end because it has a stock speed below 3.7ghz biggrin.gif
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a; Laptops

b; 4770k and 3930k are below 3.7ghz stock bro, they're 3.5 and 3.2 iirc

So are you saying AMD and Intel do or do not compare the same in laptops?

Are you saying 3.2, 3.5, or 3.7 is mid-range or high end or what? Exactly where do you delineate all of us inferiors to your superior?

Low-end, mid-range, high-end have always been determined by price. Performance has little to nothing to do with it.

10 years ago, if you spent $2000 to build an AMD FX-55 rig, that would be high end. If you could only afford to build a $600 Intel Celeron rig, that would be low end.

The same is true for other things, like cars or cameras.

Low-end, mid-range, high-end usually has nothing to do with performance.
Example: an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition cost over $1000 and was universally considered a "high-end" CPU, despite being beaten easily by AMD's FX-55.

You also cannot make a determination of low-end/midrange/high-end by comparing to older generations of hardware. Is a $50 Celeron today faster than a $1000 Pentium 4 Extreme Edition? Of course. Does that mean a Celeron is "high-end" compared to other current CPUs? No.

IMO:

Low end: rigs <$600
Midrange: rigs $600-1500
High-end: rigs >$1500

These days, I could see someone wanting to put an AMD CPU in a midrange rig, but very few people would consider an AMD CPU for a high-end rig costing over $1500.
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