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What difference would renaming a Core i3 to i5 make? If you want a cheap, unlocked processor then get AMD.

For gamers on a budget, dual-cores are good, yes. People generally recommend at least a quad-core so gamers won't have to worry about their CPU slowing down the performance of any current or future game. And you shouldn't worry about people recommending 8-cores over quad-cores because it's generally accepted in the PC gaming community 8-cores have little benefit over quad-cores.

And why do you keep wanting to have a unlocked dual-core with hyper-threading? Why not just get an AMD FX, A-series Athlon II -K processor???

There would be no major difference to renaming Core i3 to Core i5 besides that it would come stock with Turbo which for some people is a major difference for overclocking no difference. I am just saying that as in if that is what Intel would have to do be able to sell it like that. I don't care what they are labled... if it was a Pentium with HT that would be fine... I didn't think people would have a hard time with that comment... It doesn't look like Intel is going to unlock i3... so it would be nice if instead they offered a premium version of the i3 and added turbo and unlocked. Aside from the unlocking they already do this with the laptop CPUs... The difference between an i3 and i5 dual-core is that the i5 has Turbo.

To the comment about AMD

There is no argument to the fact that CLOCK for CLOCK haswell has anything AMD has beat. Meaning that a 4GHz 4670K would annihilate a 8350 at 4GHz if it only had 4 cores. That is for everything and since games don't even make use of 4 cores it holds true even if all 8 cores are enabled on the 8350.

If that clock for clock lead holds up for the Pentium then a nice OC'd Pentium would be a good bargin chip against what AMD offers if it was capable of over 4GHz and I don't see why it wouldn't be.

I've had my AMD chips... and when AMD starts making something that can compete with Intel on the top speed and value level in markets with Micro Centers then I will go back to AMD...

At the moment I could take my 5GHz 4670K slap it into the absolute cheapest Z87 board and still hit 5GHz and run it everyday for many years and never have a single problem. The 4670K is the same price as a 8350 but I don't think it is as easy to OC a 8350 on a cheap motherboard. Also you have to have a better cooling system and you have to worry about keeping the temps in a safe zone. There is NO worrying with Haswell... if it hits 105C it will not go bad and the computer won't even reboot. It will just start to throttle the CPU...

If you could hit 5GHz on a $100 board and the chip was only $100 and I was on a budget where $80 would be a big enough deal to sacrifice a little speed then I would be running it instead of Intel...

Right now I can walk into the store and buy a 4670K and a Z87 motherboard for $232... Or I could pay more get a 8350, need a better cooler, better PSU, and have less performance.

If they can knock another $60 off that $232 tag then that would be even closer to being so cheap you'd be brain dead to choose AMD for gaming as long as you want to use a dedicated graphics card.

That's just my preference as of right now... I used to be a huge AMD fanboy and gave them the benefit of the doubt even when they didn't deserve it. I don't do that anymore... I go with whatever the better value is.

Since I don't encode video with this machine and I use higher end video cards... the 4670K is the best value for me. That's why I don't buy a bunch of random AMD CPUs... I sold my Sabertooth 990FX and 4GHz x6 CPU and never turned back.
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Both statements are still true I don't see what the problem is.
You would trade 2 real cores with virtual ones? Why?
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/28256-how-many-cores-of-cpu-do-you-really-need/
I looked it up on Linus Tech Tips but they say you need 4 or 8 cores. So I don't know where you get the idea that we only need 1 or 2 cores. And you never specified whether you're talking about games like Battlefield 4 or 2D Indie Games.
And what makes you so sure "most" games only need 1 or 2 cores?
And make it faster than stock Core i5's and i7's?

Only faster in clock speed alone. Core advantage is still present.

4770K with 2 cores and HT disabled = 3.91 in R11.5 @ 4.6ghz
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Right now I can walk into the store and buy a 4670K and a Z87 motherboard for $232... Or I could pay more get a 8350, need a better cooler, better PSU, and have less performance.

Been wondering what you're talking about till I saw this, the rabid propaganda got totally out of control here. Better PSU and cooler? You need to try harder than this.
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I wish they would make a 2 core w/HT i5 that was unlocked
I should have elaborated... still have a 4 core that is unlocked but if they don't want to sell an unlocked i3 then they could instead call an i3 an i5 just like they do with their laptops... they have dual core hyperthreaded i5s... I would mind plopping one of these into an HTPC if it existed and cost less than the normal i5.

In response to the 2 people talking about gaming performance on dual cores...

One of you even mentioned that BF3 performed better and benefits from having 4 cores... (IT DOESN'T) and the other said Linus Tech Tips recommends 4 cores or something...

As for the 3rd core running other non game related things... sure but this should not be substantial and should fit in with all the little spots of unused area on the CPU while your gaming...

Hear is PROOF that BF3 and believe me plenty of other games DOES NOT benefit from having more than 2 cores...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PDoy-mi0A

IDEALLY THOUGH... I would prefer to have 2 cores with hyper-threading just in case... which is why I don't like the idea of the unlocked Pentium nearly as much as an unlocked i3... 2 cores and no hyperthreading just isn't going to cut it sometimes...


I don't doubt that you felt as if the game performed much better and I know that a lot of people really do believe this or that about need 4 cores... Honestly I believe you should have 2 cores with HT or 4 cores just to make sure there is never an issue... but some people like to try and go as far to say that an i7 is better than an i5 or that an AMD 8 core is better than an AMD 4 core... THEY ARE NOT!!! as in all honestly 2 cores is all that most games can fully utilize...

OF COURSE nothing wrong with having more cores... I am simply stating that there is a lot that could be done with an OC'd i3 if they existed...

If you need to prove or disprove it to yourself it is quite simple... run several game benchmarks with all your cores and then with only 2 cores running... just make sure you get rid of all your background crap as I am not saying that 2 cores is ideal for multi-tasking while gaming because it isn't.
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One of you even mentioned that BF3 performed better and benefits from having 4 cores... (IT DOESN'T) and the other said Linus Tech Tips recommends 4 cores or something...

I'll go and tell my Phenom II x3 720 that it's breaking the laws of physics, because when I disable one core and have it set to 2.6Ghz it's usually within a few % of my E6700 in performance, yet when I have that third core BF3 stuttered a hell of a lot less. The fact you're using Linus for proof..well, his testing methods aren't exactly great, there you're comparing a much quicker chip with cores disabled as opposed to an actual dual core...Did he take into account the 3930k having large cache? You don't see any dual cores with a 12MB L3 cache..Did he take into account turbo speeds? If BF3 was using say, 8 cores total (so 6 cores and 2 threads on that chip) then wouldn't it Turbo less than just with a single or dual core enabled? Because that is not reflecting my results with a Core 2 Duo vs Phenom II vs FX vs Ivy Bridge. Hell, I might even test with my i5 and FX...Anyway, most games aren't CPU bottlenecked which is why you can get away with a dual with somewhat reduced FPS.

Not a 3930k (But then again, neither is a Pentium..) but you can see here that it does make a difference:
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Doesn't look that bad, does it? It's only 8fps under and still above 60fps.

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Oh wait, it's the only solution that's dipping below 60fps there. This is in a GPU bottlenecked game, once again. (Proof of that, if you want.)

What about more than BF3? Lets take a look at Starcraft 2, commonly known to not really scale well to many threads thanks to Blizzard being lazy..Oh look, the single and dual cores are noticeably slower than having 3+ cores. You seem to be confusing "Dual Cores are going to be slower than a Quad" with "Dual Cores are unusable" which no-one is saying...Fact is, a dual will be a hell of a lot closer to 100% than a quad is simply because it has less resources, games are generally starting to be threaded to make use of 4 cores and that as you increase the CPU load, the quad core is just going to pull further ahead.
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Right now I can walk into the store and buy a 4670K and a Z87 motherboard for $232... Or I could pay more get a 8350, need a better cooler, better PSU, and have less performance.

Do you live near a Microcentre or something? Because that's lower than the price of a 4670k alone at newegg and I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Microcentre prices aren't really good in argument because the vast majority of the world couldn't hope to get prices like that.

Anyway, my Noctua NH-D14 still doesn't cool my 3570k to the point where I'm happy (Hits the 24/7 max safe temperature of ~100c) whereas my TRUE (As in, the top cooler from 7 years ago and not as good as my NH-D14) manages to keep my FX-4170 well under it's max safe 24/7 temperature (It loads at 50c, max safe is 62c iirc)
Both CPUs also ran on the exact same cheapish 500w PSU with a HD7950...You really have to actually read more into this stuff before you shoot your mouth off.
Edited by Brutuz - 3/22/14 at 12:45am
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The question here, IMO, is whether the "Iris Pro" in Broadwell is just going to be a clone of the current Haswell IGP, or whether it's going to leverage 14nm to devote even more die size to the IGP and is simply being called Iris Pro for easier consumer recognition. If the latter, AMD could be in some trouble, especially with the unlocked Pentiums now ready to invade the A4's territory.
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i7 or i5 with Iris Pro + PicoPSU = smallest casual gaming PC?

 

Really curious about that, since a 750 or 750Ti on a PicoPSU wouldn't work very well considering the highest wattage PicoPSU is 160W (200W peak. There is a 200W model though).

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i7 or i5 with Iris Pro + PicoPSU = smallest casual gaming PC?

Really curious about that, since a 750 or 750Ti on a PicoPSU wouldn't work very well considering the highest wattage PicoPSU is 160W (200W peak. There is a 200W model though).

How safe are those 180W Pico PSUs on eBay? I thought about using two of those to power my briefcase, but I'm probably going for a 300W mItx PSU instead.
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FWIW, I just built my Dad a new machine with the Haswell dual core Pentium at 3 Ghz and it's great.

With an unlocked Multi? It could be amazing.

I got it at Microcenter for $49.

Sweet right?
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FWIW, I just built my Dad a new machine with the Haswell dual core Pentium at 3 Ghz and it's great.

With an unlocked Multi? It could be amazing.

I got it at Microcenter for $49.

Sweet right?

They really are great little processors, especially at $50!
    
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They really are great little processors, especially at $50!

The Turion I have in my laptop cost me 25 USD and is perfect for suring. The only time I notice it slowing down is when it's on battery and at 800MHz. But above 1.2GHz I don't really notice that much of a difference between that and my desktop. Of course gaming is a totally different affair and I don't game on the laptop but that's also because of the terrible 4570 (equal to 5450) it has.
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