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For example, are CPUs such as
FX 9370, FX 8350, A10 series, phenom II series (x4 and x6), worth it?

the only thing i can think thats worth is it the A10 series, for when you just want something like a HTPC, or just use iGPU.

but even, then, are these kind of chips worth getting over haswell counterparts?
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Phenom II is outdated now, little reason to get aside from cheap used parts.

A10 etc - APU's, lower end. You might want an APU, you might not. At stock, the CPU portion is competitive with Haswell i3. At OC it pulls ahead in multi-threaded performance, the iGPU is significantly stronger on 7850k too

FX9590, 9370, 8350, 8320 are all the same silicon, only changed by stock clocks, and some of the better (higher overclocking by a bit) chips are shifted up to the high end. The value buy is the 8320 - and given that the big selling point of these chips is value, if you're not an amd-overclocking-enthusiast that wants the absolute best AMD chip, there's little reason to buy anything but an 8320 here.

Encoding performance rivals that of a 4670k, both lose to 4770k by about 15-20%. Haswell has singlethreaded performance advantage, some advantages such as stronger memory controller. 4670k costs more than 8320 though and 4770k is somewhat of a premium product~

The AMD chips i would be most tempted to buy would be the unlocked ones that duck significantly under the range of 4670k price, think fx6300 or maybe 7850k - if singlethreaded performance was not the biggest deal for the system
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For example, are CPUs such as
FX 9370, FX 8350, A10 series, phenom II series (x4 and x6), worth it?

the only thing i can think thats worth is it the A10 series, for when you just want something like a HTPC, or just use iGPU.

but even, then, are these kind of chips worth getting over haswell counterparts?
If you pay that much for a Phenom II X4 now, you're getting fleeced. As a second-hand part in the $60-75 range, though, a fast Ph II X4 is still a good deal.

The X6 Thubans are still strong performers, but overpriced, because there's some weird perception that they're better than FX Vishera processors, and they're not. They have slightly better single-core performance, but Vishera clocks so much higher that it's a better value. The 8-core FX chips, except for the 9590, are good deals if you run software that can utilize its cores. (The 9590 is a good performer too, but overpriced for what it is, even now.)

The A10's are true quad-core CPU's with a strong enough GPU that you can actually play games on it. They're worth their asking prices. You can't buy anything comparable from Intel. The iGPU's in Intel processors are 98-pound weaklings compared to the ones in AMD APU's.

So yes, the APU's are worth getting if you're gaming on the cheap, or just want a nice, well-balanced system that you can assemble in an hour and have it perform well. The big-core chips are worth getting unless you're only running poorly coded and/or legacy single-core software that can't use what the Thubans and Visheras have to offer. If you run a lot of that type of software, then by all means stick with Intel.
     
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another question.

is there a good performance increase gonig from a fx 4xxx to a 6xxx or 8xxx ??
i see alot of people on this forums going with the fx 8xxx, even though everyone says "4 core is enough for gaming"

any reason to go 6xxx or 8xxx for gaming purposes?
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another question.

is there a good performance increase gonig from a fx 4xxx to a 6xxx or 8xxx ??
i see alot of people on this forums going with the fx 8xxx, even though everyone says "4 core is enough for gaming"

any reason to go 6xxx or 8xxx for gaming purposes?

games like battlefield 4 and crysis 3 use more cores, so if you are big into BF4 and similar games, more cores actually do help. If you are into MMO games such as world of warcraft, they are super heavily single core optimized so adding more cores wont gain you any fps.
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games like battlefield 4 and crysis 3 use more cores, so if you are big into BF4 and similar games, more cores actually do help. If you are into MMO games such as world of warcraft, they are super heavily single core optimized so adding more cores wont gain you any fps.

so there are actually some games that uses more than 4 cores?

whats the general guideline on how to tell how many cores a game use?
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so there are actually some games that uses more than 4 cores?

whats the general guideline on how to tell how many cores a game use?

If you dont have the game, reading the game reviews is about the only way.
    
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IMO, you should only be considering the FX-8320 or FX-8350. These cpu's can be found at the price range your looking for and can be overclocked to be competitive with their more expensive siblings / stock Intel counterparts.

I agree that the FM2+ APU's really only make sense if you were going to be content with the integrated GPU performance or you got a really amazing deal on it.
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The APU's will allow you to play most games at 720p at decent settings. You can get better performance with them if you choose one that can Crossfire with a separate video card. But if you want high-end gaming performance on AMD, an eight-core Vishera is the best way to go. A lot of games can't use more than two or four cores (if that), but newer games tend to be more multi-core aware. With the new consoles running eight-core chips, that's the baseline for most games going forward.

You're also getting a better quality chip if you go with an 8320 or 8350. All AMD FX processors are made on the octo-core die. The 4xxx and 6xxx versions are chips that don't pass QC on one or two of the modules and have them disabled. As far as the 83x0 chips go, I think they've gotten to the point where almost everything passes QC at the 8350 specs now, and 8320's are almost all down-binned 8350's. So it's OK to save a few bucks, get an 8320 and just clock it up to the 8350 specs and more. I got my 8350 a couple of months after Vishera hit the market, when there was a difference. If I were buying now, I'd probably just get an 8320. These are easy to overclock. Even my older 8350 goes beyond the 9370 specs on stock voltage, and reaches the 9590 specs with a vcore boost on nothing but high-end air.
     
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