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post #11 of 19
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I'm going to try and find some good reviews won that Startech... maybe someone has pictures of the adapter... or they've opened it? Or I can just get that and if it has a crappy adapter, I can pick up one at Radio Shack?
post #12 of 19
PATA is EIDE is IDE

They come on 66, 100, and Maxtor had 133 speeds. They are interchangeable
post #13 of 19
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I managed to find this picture of a Startech 12v adapter:
http://img.rakuten.com/PIC/52134613/0/1/500/52134613.jpg

And it seems very similar to the one sold with the one I've been looking at and this one as well:
http://sgcdn.startech.com/005329/media/products/gallery_large/UNIDOCK3U.bom.jpg



I also found this product. I don't see any customer complaints, everyone seems to love it.
http://www.amazon.com/CoolGear%C2%AE-Drive-Optical-Adapter-COMBO/dp/B004GI7J7Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I also found a page with a giant close up of the adapter two thirds down the page, but I don't see that UL badge on it. frown.gif
http://www.cooldrives.com/saandidehadr1.html
post #14 of 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

Any time a drive docking station is advertised as IDE, that means it supports PATA because everybody uses the term "IDE" wrong that way.

I don't know how good that Startech docking station is, but it seems to have almost the same AC power adapter as my older Bytecc USB 3.0 enclosure, which was a piece of junk that was not UL safety approved and failed in less than 2 years. When I pried it open, I found it contained a lot fewer parts than the AC adapter used by Western Digital, and it had no protection against sending excessive voltage to the disk drive. I would have expected something better from that $45 Startech.

For less than half the price you could get a USB-PATA drive enclosure:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182153

I believe all Rosewill enclosures include UL approved AC adapters.

The cheapest way I know of to use a PATA drive with a SATA-only motherboard is with one of these $5 adapters:

http://www.meritline.com/ide-to-sata-or-sata-to-ide-adapter---p-36542.aspx

That one works with every kind of disk drive -- SATA, PATA, hard, optical -- but you have to be careful and use the correct SATA connector (one is for drives, the other for the controller, and they're not marked clearly) and not plug the PATA socket in the wrong way (plastic body is undersized).

Next cheapest is a PCI-E card that adds a PATA port:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Port-SATA-II-2-0-RAID-1-IDE-3-5-to-PCI-E-PCI-Express-Adapter-Converter-Card-/171195322255?pt=US_Drive_Cables_dapters&hash=item27dc094f8f

Would it be a good idea to just get the Startech docking station or the Coolgear adapter, then buy a UL safety approved adapter for which ever one I get? That's the only solution I can think of.
post #15 of 19
Any of those USB-SATA-PATA adapters should be fine, as should their AC adapters. Some of those safety certifications almost always include a registration number next to them that can be verified. Rarely are those numbers faked, although I used to see it with a certain brand of desktop ATX power supply sold by NewEgg, and one person found a counterfeit AC adapter for Toshiba laptops on Ebay. OTOH when UL or CSA include no number, the certification is fake. TUV is also good (German).
post #16 of 19
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USB-SATA-PATA dapters? I only mentioned one drive adapter? What about the Startech docking station? *confused*

*looks* Oh crap.... I linked the wrong page. Apologies. That 4th page is the wrong adapter. I meant to link you to this one. http://www.cooldrives.com/index.php/liedproseals.html

I'm reconsidering that adapter though. The Coolgear SS-128ASD sounds like its not as well made compared to that one, but its USB 3.0 so its a lot faster. If a failing hard drive decides to go while I'm making an image of it, I'll have gotten more off of it before that point. Especially with any SATA III drives I may have issues with later on in the future. Seems like the only people with serious complaints are too rough with it or don't know what they're doing.
http://www.amazon.com/CoolGear%C2%AE-Drive-Adapter-Universal-Drives/dp/B009VKSNS6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I do have three concerns though.
A.) They won't work with an different older Maxtor drive I have, that has a power socket right up against the IDE socket. I'm guessing this issue be easily be solved with a simple male to female IDE cable, right?

B.) I just noticed my PATA drive says PATA 133... and most everything I see is ATA 100. The official page of this product doesn't mention 100 or 133, but some of their other products say only ATA 100 and don't mention 133. Can a 133 drive normally run on a ATA 100 connection? Or is this not a concern anymore with newer products?

C.) I also just noticed that the this adapter and others by Coolgear are only compatible with 20GB up to 4000GB drives. Some older drives I want to make an image of are 20GB or less. I don't see anything like that written on the Startech product description on the official page or on Newegg. Does it have to do with USB 3.0? O\or are older drives just not compatible with the chips that are compatible with the newer IDE drives?

If its incredibly difficult to find anything that will work externally with IDE drives under 20GB and it will work with my Maxtor PATA 133 drive, then I'll go ahead and get the Coolgear SS-128ASD I just mentioned. Seems like a good product, and its USB 3.0 so it will be useful for any other future problems.


However,

If its just that product line that isn't compatible with drives under 20GB and the Startech is compatible with them, I'll go with the Startech instead. It looks like connection wise its compatible with my old old Maxtor drive with the IDE / power connectors side by side, and its compatible with 2.5 IDE drives. But it could be a pain in the ass if I'm worried a drive could fail at any second and that USB 2.0 is just taking its sweet time.
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Drive-Docking-Station-2-5in/dp/B002UAR8JY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1395777801&sr=1-1&keywords=StarTech+UNIDOCK2U

I don't understand this 20GB limit thing. Can someone explain with this is about? I can't find out if the Startech has this issue, and this problem is the deciding factor right now between these two products. I'm starting to get nervous about that Startech too.
Edited by Drahadis - 3/25/14 at 1:32pm
post #17 of 19
Yeah i've used a Maxtor 133 in a ide 66 slot and no problems. Basically need a 133 board and drive for that speed

20 gig is a fat 32 limit I believe, and windows 98 limit
Edited by CravinR1 - 3/25/14 at 2:44pm
post #18 of 19
A) Does the adapter include a cable for situations where the PATA connector and IDE power connector are too close together? You'd think it would, considering the design of the adapter.

B) I've used several Maxtor PATA 133 drives with PATA 100 controllers. I have a feeling compatibility here is very good because it's a parallel interface (speed is set by handshaking signals on separate wires), and some drive makers never produced anything faster than PATA 100.

C) I can't think of anything that would make drives smaller than 20GB incompatible, unless it's a weird, weird, weird controllers that absolutely requires LBA addressing of sectors and doesn't handle the old cylinder/head/sector addressing, but I've never seen that, and I've connected 120MB PATA drives to fairly modern controllers that could handle 2TB drives, and I think IDE/PATA standards require handling that old form of addressing.

Some adapters won't recognize a PATA drive unless the drive is configured for Master instead of Cable Select.
post #19 of 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CravinR1 View Post

Yeah i've used a Maxtor 133 in a ide 66 slot and no problems. Basically need a 133 board and drive for that speed

20 gig is a fat 32 limit I believe, and windows 98 limit

Okay so its like how I think SATA III and II and USB 2 and 3 works. The newer is backwards compatible with the latter, but won't work as fast. Understood. Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

A) Does the adapter include a cable for situations where the PATA connector and IDE power connector are too close together? You'd think it would, considering the design of the adapter.

Nope, just the power cord, CD, molex connector, and anything else totally essential. Nothing else. -_-

Quote:
Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

B) I've used several Maxtor PATA 133 drives with PATA 100 controllers. I have a feeling compatibility here is very good because it's a parallel interface (speed is set by handshaking signals on separate wires), and some drive makers never produced anything faster than PATA 100.

Yeah, Cravin was just saying the same thing. Thank you both for letting me know 133 is compatible with 100. smile.gif One less thing to worry about.

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Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

C) I can't think of anything that would make drives smaller than 20GB incompatible, unless it's a weird, weird, weird controllers that absolutely requires LBA addressing of sectors and doesn't handle the old cylinder/head/sector addressing, but I've never seen that, and I've connected 120MB PATA drives to fairly modern controllers that could handle 2TB drives, and I think IDE/PATA standards require handling that old form of addressing.

Huh... so maybe I'm better off going with the Startech? It has pretty good ratings on Amazon. Sure, its a little cheap and flimsy... but what isn't these days? It comes with all the connections in the form of cables, instead of having to stick the drive directly into the side of it. I like that. As I mentioned before, the power adapter has a UL badge. Unless you can recommend something you know would be better that can do everything I need to do, I'm just gonna get the Startech. Its the best of both worlds. Adapter on the side like you suggested with cables for all IDE drives, but a SATA I/II dock on the top.

By the way, I too have a really old drive. Its a Maxtor 129 MB drive. Forgot about it until I recently found it again. Dying to see whats on it. I'm pretty sure its from our old IBM PS/2 computer. I found it in the attic a few years ago and recycled it after removing the HDD. That's the drive with the side by side sockets I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

Some adapters won't recognize a PATA drive unless the drive is configured for Master instead of Cable Select.

Yes! I was reading about this. Jumpers have given me issues in the past, so I'm no stranger to it. I've also noticed some other people have run into that as well in the customer comments under all the drive adapters and docking stations I've looked at. Figuring the jumper settings on the bottom of that old 129MB drive is going to be a pain, if they need to be changed. There's like three different ones and they're all on the bottom of the drive!
Edited by Drahadis - 3/25/14 at 6:27pm
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