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True, samsung would be a strong player, but - again - it is sad to see AMD to get "Consumed" by proven to play much dirtier (AMD = no saints, still...) companies.
Both Intel and Samsung are ruthless in their fields, and it is sad to see that the "bad boy gets the girl" every time...far from a "healthy" competition.

Oh, and I type this on my 1.7GHz ARM Samsung chromebook...my internet experience sucks cause I have to step away from my clocked 3930K...

Fun fact: Everybody in my school loves the chrome book because only chrome books have acess to the school's 'internal' wifi. The internal wifi is more reliable than the wired connections in school lol.

Then there's the public wifi. It's off half of the time. The other half of the time it's so slow that you might as well pretend it's off.
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Why do you think low-power products exist in the first place?
If websites are loading "unbearably slow" you either have defective hardware, lots of malware or heavy programs running in the background, slow internet connection, or something's wrong with your browser and addons/extensions.

Lower tier products are sold to fit market segments and scavenge defective dies. It doesn't matter which computer I use or which browser I use. None of them are fast enough to not be annoying to me.
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Then your lack of patience or other problems have nothing to do with which CPU you use.

We're living in the glorious future. 5+ second page loads with 100% CPU usage on one thread are unacceptable to me. You may not care and that is fine, but it's my prerogative to be dissatisfied if I do.
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Lower tier products are sold to fit market segments and scavenge defective dies. It doesn't matter which computer I use or which browser I use. None of them are fast enough to not be annoying to me.
We're living in the glorious future. 5+ second page loads with 100% CPU usage on one thread are unacceptable to me. You may not care and that is fine, but it's my prerogative to be dissatisfied if I do.

The only time I experience this is when I load FF, Opera and IE at the same time on system boot, so I have no idea why your PC is behaving like this.

Edit: You are blaming AMD for having low per core performance when according to you your own CPU simply isn't good enough to deal with bloated, flash and ad infested, badly written websites. After thinking about it for hours the logic still eludes me.
Edited by Liranan - 3/23/14 at 6:32am
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TBH, I like my 8350 better than my 3930k. 8350 at 4.7Ghz and 3930k @ 4.4. the 3930k renders a bit faster but doesnt handle multi-tasking nearly as well and doesn't feel as "snappy".

As an owner of FX and SB-E parts, I'm confident in calling such a claim a complete farce. You have to be doing something very wrong for an eight core FX to perform better than a hex core SB-E in anything outside the most rare of scenarios.
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Right now a 4770K/Z87 Killer will run you 418.99 AR on newegg. Now unless you're a teenager working for Chick fil a how cant you afford that?

If something can get the job that needs to be done for less, I may well have a better use for the difference. You don't need to be broke to be frugal.
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They are compensating for lower single threaded performance through increased speeds. Intel did the same when it came to Netburst.

Both parts had poor IPC relative to their competition, and neither scaleshigh enough in clock speed to overcome this deficit, resulting in objectively poor single threaded performance.
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Ever heard of supporting the underdog

I support the underdog whenever the cause is just, or when the underdog is the pragmatic option, not simply because it happens to be the underdog.

AMD was the underdog in the Athlon 64/X2 days, and I bought such chips by the fistful. I only rarely buy or recommend AMD parts for new systems now. They are still the underdog, but they aren't as competitive in as many niches as they used to be.
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The perceivable difference in browsing between an Intel Pentum, versus their i7 brother, is minimal at best. There is a notable difference between something like an Atom and a Pentium, but not so much after the Pentium when it comes to web browsing.

Browsing performance has more to do with your browser and where you keep your cache folders than CPU performance.

My 900MHz Celeron M (about as fast as a 1.2GHz Pentium III) netbook can generally browse the net and word process just as well as my 4.5GHz 4930k as long as I'm actively using less than about twenty tabs.
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CPU time used in parsing the bloated markup and executing the bloated pile of scripts common on sites today. Noscript and ABP help, but I still hate the modern web. The web browsing situation was much better in the mid 2000s.

I do agree with this. Some sites are bloated far beyond reason, resulting in them eating far more resources than is remotely justifiable.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

As much as I like the idea of HyperThreading, it's not worth the extra $800. Don't get me wrong if I had the $1000 to chuck into a CPU without night terrors as a result after purchase, I would do it for the e-peen. But c'mon you really believe HT is worth the extra $ for this CPU versus the AMD 8 core CPU?

Hyperthreading doesn't cost $800.

Anyway, raw price vs performance ratios are optimal at very low on the budget scale. The problem with going for best value, to the neglect of everything else, is that you may not reach the minimal level of performance that is acceptable for a desired task/use.

When I was replacing my Gulftown with a new setup for my primary use, I flatly ruled out AMD, not because the price vs. performance wasn't sufficient, but because the absolute fastest AMD setup I could get (an FX-8150 or a Thuban, at the time) was slower than what I already had (a 4.2GHz i7 970, 6c/12t), and what I already had was falling below that minimum acceptable level for what I wanted to do.
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True, samsung would be a strong player, but - again - it is sad to see AMD to get "Consumed" by proven to play much dirtier (AMD = no saints, still...) companies.
Both Intel and Samsung are ruthless in their fields, and it is sad to see that the "bad boy gets the girl" every time...far from a "healthy" competition.

Oh, and I type this on my 1.7GHz ARM Samsung chromebook...my internet experience sucks cause I have to step away from my clocked 3930K...

You have to be ruthless in business or you will never survive
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One more nail into the AMD coffin!
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One more nail into the AMD coffin!

If you are even remotely intelligent, you would realize how terrible this would be for everybody
     
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If you are even remotely intelligent, you would realize how terrible this would be for everybody

Wouldn't be terrible for anyone. AMD hasn't competed with Intel for years in the high end and prices have been exactly the same

980X - 999.99
3960X - 999.99
4960X - 999.99
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Wouldn't be terrible for anyone. AMD hasn't competed with Intel for years in the high end and prices have been exactly the same

980X - 999.99
3960X - 999.99
4960X - 999.99

who cares about those cpus? when you can get basically the same performance with a 4770K 3930K 4930K?
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The only time I experience this is when I load FF, Opera and IE at the same time on system boot, so I have no idea why your PC is behaving like this.

Edit: You are blaming AMD for having low per core performance when according to you your own CPU simply isn't good enough to deal with bloated, flash and ad infested, badly written websites. After thinking about it for hours the logic still eludes me.

It most likely remains elusive because you think I'm talking about a subject I've made no mention of. I have been talking about how bloated websites are and have made no comment about the performance delta between AMD and Intel cores. For the purposes of my viewpoint, neither one is fast enough so the difference between the two is inconsequential.
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