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I just hope the 8 core is not $1500


Me too, If a K variant is 600 dollars and 8 cores they'll be sold out for months.


Let us be honest with ourselves here.. anyone that would buy the X version at 1000 is going to buy the X version at 1500. With AMD offering NO competition in the mid-high to high end market Intel can pretty much charge whatever they want and enthusiasts will gladly pay it.


Could be the first processor that warrants me upgrading this 2600k (which is not even overclocked yet and has had no need to be outside of some rendering)
 
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with a 1,000 price tag it should be a monster.

AMD 8 core is 800 dollars cheaper too be fair...

Amd's 8 core can barely tie an Intel quad with HT in 2 benchmarks
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I wonder if will see 400-450 6-Core part.
I dont see that happening, that will kill the consumer market of the 4770k, IMO the 6 core will be the same price 500-600$, and the 8 core, 800-1000
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Up for sale are my two kidneys and my liver. I'm a non smoker so they are as healthy as they can get.
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Up for sale are my two kidneys and my liver. I'm a non smoker so they are as healthy as they can get.

 

Damn a spare liver, that could come in handy!

 

My friend once sold me his soul for some gum. I kept it for three years before giving it back. LOL.

 

Intel has been irking me lately. The short short socket cycles, the dated X79 platform, and ever since Westmere the consumer parts have fallen farther behind what is available at the enterprise level. 

 

I am sitting here typing this on a 2P E5 rig with 16 cores. They could have given us 8 a non-xeon single socket version of this CPU anytime and charged 1500, I would have bought it.

 

I have been waiting for an overclockable 8 core chip for damn near 3 years now.


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Answer to come, first I'll address the two wrong answers to this question you've received so far.
Wrong/incomplete- or at least this answer doesn't address the charge that a 8 core fx cpu isn't an 8 core cpu. What they do with the kavari apu however... i address next.
ah... yeah... AMD deserves some flack for the APU - 12 core thing. As much flack as Intel deserved (and got) for claiming in 2005 that hyperthreaded P4s were dual core cpus. But the APU thing and the Piledriver 8 core thing are totally separate issues completely. That said, AMD is clearly trying to rebuild the whole concept of the cpu with the Kavari APU; so i get where they're going but it's still as stupid as those original hyperthreading commercials (at least they aren't doing a national TV ad campaign claiming it's a 12 core... that would really be embarrassing).


Now then, onto the topic of the bulldozer cpu architecture. Some intel fanboys like to make the claim its a type of "hyperthreading" and not a true "8/6/4" core cpu. I suppose i can sorta see their point of view but like most fanboy arguments it's based on a lack of understanding or just pure sophistry.

The engineering definition of a cpu "core" is that a core must have 3 parts
1) instruction control unit
2) instruction execution unit
3) input/ouput unit

AMD's bulldozer family cpu cores have all of these parts; each core module contains 2 separate cores, each one of those cores has their their own scheduler (control unit), 4 execution units, and an I/O unit.

The confusion about the bulldozer architecture, comes from the floating point processor unit. You see up until 2000 or so, no cpu had a floating point processor. In fact computers around 1997 started to include math-coprocessors add on boards to handle the floating point math... around 2000 cpus started to integrate the math coprocessor, called a floating point processor onto the cpu itself. These units basically handle floating point math (calculus) which traditional cpus rather suck at. Now understand, these floating point processors are completely separate units from the cpu core on both an AMD and Intel cpu... in a way they're sorta the progenitor to the whole concept of an APU, as all a gpu really is, is a highly specialized math coprocessor or calculus calculator. AMD chose, with bulldozer, to place 1 256-bit floating point processors on their cpu per core module... that single FPU is naturally a 256-bit unit, but when needed can function like 2 128 bit FPUs, THIS is the part that works like a gimped version of intel's hyperthreading; as in it's a single FPU which can at times, when needed handle 2 instructions at the same time.

The fx cpus ARE by every definition proper 4/6/8 core cpus. They just work a little different with their design then an intel cpu... or even the older retired AMD k10 architecture; with bulldozer AMD went modular, it's intention was to make a chip they could easily customize for server environments, and any other "unique" environments they may be requested by a client to match. Its actually because of the highly modular design of bulldozer that AMD landed the 2 next gen consoles... it simply was cheaper and easier to make a custom chip for both M$ and Sony then it was for anyone else to do. Its also because of this modular and unfocused design that bulldozer/piledriver/steamroller simply can't compete in performance with intel's highly specialized performance cpu lines.
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Originally Posted by azanimefan View Post

Answer to come, first I'll address the two wrong answers to this question you've received so far.
Wrong/incomplete- or at least this answer doesn't address the charge that a 8 core fx cpu isn't an 8 core cpu. What they do with the kavari apu however... i address next.
ah... yeah... AMD deserves some flack for the APU - 12 core thing. As much flack as Intel deserved (and got) for claiming in 2005 that hyperthreaded P4s were dual core cpus. But the APU thing and the Piledriver 8 core thing are totally separate issues completely. That said, AMD is clearly trying to rebuild the whole concept of the cpu with the Kavari APU; so i get where they're going but it's still as stupid as those original hyperthreading commercials (at least they aren't doing a national TV ad campaign claiming it's a 12 core... that would really be embarrassing).


Now then, onto the topic of the bulldozer cpu architecture. Some intel fanboys like to make the claim its a type of "hyperthreading" and not a true "8/6/4" core cpu. I suppose i can sorta see their point of view but like most fanboy arguments it's based on a lack of understanding or just pure sophistry.

The engineering definition of a cpu "core" is that a core must have 3 parts
1) instruction control unit
2) instruction execution unit
3) input/ouput unit

AMD's bulldozer family cpu cores have all of these parts; each core module contains 2 separate cores, each one of those cores has their their own scheduler (control unit), 4 execution units, and an I/O unit.

The confusion about the bulldozer architecture, comes from the floating point processor unit. You see up until 2000 or so, no cpu had a floating point processor. In fact computers around 1997 started to include math-coprocessors add on boards to handle the floating point math... around 2000 cpus started to integrate the math coprocessor, called a floating point processor onto the cpu itself. These units basically handle floating point math (calculus) which traditional cpus rather suck at. Now understand, these floating point processors are completely separate units from the cpu core on both an AMD and Intel cpu... in a way they're sorta the progenitor to the whole concept of an APU, as all a gpu really is, is a highly specialized math coprocessor or calculus calculator. AMD chose, with bulldozer, to place 1 256-bit floating point processors on their cpu per core module... that single FPU is naturally a 256-bit unit, but when needed can function like 2 128 bit FPUs, THIS is the part that works like a gimped version of intel's hyperthreading; as in it's a single FPU which can at times, when needed handle 2 instructions at the same time.

The fx cpus ARE by every definition proper 4/6/8 core cpus. They just work a little different with their design then an intel cpu... or even the older retired AMD k10 architecture; with bulldozer AMD went modular, it's intention was to make a chip they could easily customize for server environments, and any other "unique" environments they may be requested by a client to match. Its actually because of the highly modular design of bulldozer that AMD landed the 2 next gen consoles... it simply was cheaper and easier to make a custom chip for both M$ and Sony then it was for anyone else to do. Its also because of this modular and unfocused design that bulldozer/piledriver/steamroller simply can't compete in performance with intel's highly specialized performance cpu lines.

+1

Yeah well you know how it is, no point in replying to unhelpful answers. *shrug* I was very specific mentioning 83XX and not APUs. I guess nextime I should post CPU serial number lol.

Thank you very helpful, I am learning this is comp eng class and well one thing is to learn about how CPU is made up and another is to link it with an actual cpu brand.
AMD is pretty cool, although I would be interested in getting 8core intel haha but gezz 1 grand *scratch head* I wonder what I can make use of it for 2014 programs!

Well amd is leaving the cpu market, and its good for them, no matter what they just can't keep up with intel R&D funding, apu really was a smart move on thier part to worry on the middle and lower section of the market.
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I just want to see some pictures of some motherboards , other then the ES one from last year. (Matx preferably smile.gif )
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I dont see that happening, that will kill the consumer market of the 4770k, IMO the 6 core will be the same price 500-600$, and the 8 core, 800-1000

I dont see it happening. If its $100-150 more expensive then 4770K it will also have more expensive RAM $50-100 more and you will need more RAM since its Quad Channel.

Also MB will be 2-3x the price of Z87. All you need to MAX a 4770K is a UD3H which is $130. Cheap X99 MB will be at least $250.
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I'll be buying this part with my co-op money. biggrin.gif
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I think this 'devil's canyon' is just the haswell refresh while Haswell-E will be released further in time.
only engadget that sees it differently from other sites confused.gif

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-haswell-e-devils-canyon-pentium-anniversary-edition-broadwell,26326.html
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