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post #11 of 65
If you're going to spend that much money on a PC you're better off with a 2011 socket.
You would be better off with the i7 4820k instead of the 4770.


The only people that say you don't need that much RAM are gamers that don't have that much RAM.
You can never have TOO much RAM on a business machine.

I'm running 48gbs of quad channel RAM in my machine.
post #12 of 65
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the reply, I will try to consider this. Not really sure what it is but I will look at the parts.

Steve
post #13 of 65
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You'll hear many of the Haswell fanboys chime in that 2011 isn't worth the extra money blah blah.

But if you look closely it's primarily for financial reasons.
(read: they can't afford it so they dispute it's usefulness)

Both have their advantages. Personally, I wouldn't go for LGA 2011 unless I was getting a i7 4930k or a Xeon, even if I had the money biggrin.gif

If you're on a budget, there's no reason to skip a 4670k/4770k IMHO.
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Dear coachrex,

Did thou'st not see "Extreme Newbie,"? I assume the mention of 2011 escaped us as we went for what was already in the purview of this thread's OP. Also as this will be his first PC build and he has not given a list of programs he will use, only that it will primarily be "one dimensional," I doubt he will need the processing power of a 2011. So why get something so expensive for his first build? And yes I said expensive and personally I don't like Haswell or Ivy, they are heat monsters.

Sincerely, EchoTwoZero
post #15 of 65
Thread Starter 
OK, now I am really lost with the last thread as I am not sure what 2011 and the rest mean. I will try to look them up.

I do not want to spend needlessly but I also do not want to have a lot of extra power or usefulness or whatever to save a few dollars either. I also want as trouble free as possible.

It is possible there is someone here or one can be referred that would actually take all of this information and actually build this computer it it were to prove a little too daunting to me? Just curious at this point but I would love the option of doing so if needed.

Steve
post #16 of 65
Visit your local Microcenter.
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Dear coachrex,

Did thou'st not see "Extreme Newbie,"?


Sincerely, EchoTwoZero


My bad.
post #18 of 65
The numbers we are bandying about refer to Central Processing Unit Sockets/Pins. The following is a basic summary based on what I know.

There are two sockets that we have talked about, the 1150 and the 2011. These numbers refer to the number of pins/points of contact on a motherboard/CPU. A CPU with 1150 points of contact cannot go into a mother board with 2011 pins and vice-versa.

Intel is the brand that has and uses these numbers to refer to their CPUs and their types. A 1150 CPU is a Haswell (architecture/design) based CPU and a 2011 CPU can be a Sandy/Ivy/Haswell based CPU. The reason 2011 can be of these three is because the 2011 socket has been around longer and has not changed much at all.

A 1150 CPU is a consumer grade CPU useful for very simple computers through to powerful gaming/processing computers (4770K). A 2011 CPU (4930K) is powerful from the start but is also more expensive with only minimal increases in day to day performance; however it excels when using incredibly demanding programs that require a massive amount of processing power (fluid simulation is a good example).

There are two factors to consider: price vs. performance. A 1150 will get you going and then some; it won't break the bank if anything goes wrong. A 2011 is powerful, but unless you use three/four graphics cards or run complicated simulations all day, it is very expensive.

This is your first build, your first rig, the parts you picked are good and leave a path for you to upgrade later.

I would get a 4770K rather than a 4770 because the K stands for unlocked, unlocked means you can overclock, and overclocking can increase performance (come back and look/ask for help when you feel like you want to try it). A Cooler Master Evo 212 can cool off an overclocked 4770K but as I stated before this architecture (Haswell) runs hot and liquid cooling may be necessary to ensure stability on your own personal (overclocked) 4770K (possible future upgrade). AMD has always had a better track record on running a crazy amount of monitors and the cards listed in the thread will run them well. I want to be more specific about what you should get but without program examples I cannot.

When you make your decision, or have more specific questions, come back and let us know.
Edited by EchoTwoZero - 3/21/14 at 3:33pm
post #19 of 65
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Originally Posted by EchoTwoZero View Post

The numbers we are bandying about refer to Central Processing Unit Sockets/Pins. The following is a basic summary based on what I know.

There are two sockets that we have talked about, the 1150 and the 2011. These numbers refer to the number of pins/points of contact on a motherboard/CPU. A CPU with 1150 points of contact cannot go into a mother board with 2011 pins and vice-versa.

Intel is the brand that has and uses these numbers to refer to their CPUs and their types. A 1150 CPU is a Haswell (architecture/design) based CPU and a 2011 CPU can be a Sandy/Ivy/Haswell based CPU. The reason 2011 can be of these three is because the 2011 chip set has been around longer and has not changed much at all.

A 1150 CPU is a consumer grade CPU useful for very simple computers through to powerful gaming/processing computers (4770K). A 2011 CPU (4930K) is powerful from the start but is also more expensive with only minimal increases in day to day performance; however it excels when using incredibly demanding programs that require a massive amount of processing power (fluid simulation is a good example).

There are two factors to consider: price vs. performance. A 1150 will get you going and then some; it won't break the bank if anything goes wrong. A 2011 is powerful, but unless you use three/four graphics cards or run complicated simulations all day, it is very expensive.

This is your first build, your first rig, the parts your picked are good and leave a path for you to upgrade later.

I would get a 4770K rather than a 4770 because the K stands for unlocked, unlocked means you can overclock, and overclocking can increase performance (come back and look/ask for help when you feel like you want to try it). A Cooler Master Evo 212 can cool off an overclocked 4770K but as I stated before this architecture (Haswell) runs hot and liquid cooling may be necessary to ensure stability on your own personal 4770K (possible future upgrade). AMD has always had a better track record on running a crazy amount of monitors and the cards listed in the thread will run them well. I want to be more specific about what you should get but without program examples I cannot.

When you make your decision, or have more specific questions, come back and let us know.

Good summary ^

If you're not sure, you probably don't need a more expensive LGA 2011 socket CPU.

FYI my 4670k does just fine under my old Hyper 212+. Still, since you're dumping $300 into a 4770k, I'd dump another ~$50 and get a Thermalright macho instead.
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post #20 of 65
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Thank you for the detailed information that I think I actually followed along with.

I do appreciate the help. One main reason I wish to have the ability to use this is I trade stocks on a part time basis and what I have will just not keep up with the demand when the markets are open and there is a lot of information coming through, my graphic cards bog down very badly now and one program said it needs a card with 2 gig (I think that is correct, mine has a 1/2 gig I think) I look at it like the generator I use if we lose power in my house, it will run a lot of my house but not everything and only if I control it well, my computer reminds me of this when I am using it for trading.

I will use the computer for other uses but this is the main reason I want it, to dedicate its use in case I ever get better at that trade. More of a hobby interest but I hope it grows.

I do not know how the drain on a computer works with all of that but several people I have seen have the ability of 8 monitors and I just want to be sure I have the power when I want it.

What would be the difference in cost between the 1150 and the 2011?

Thanks to all of you for helping.

Steve
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