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then just simple question...

Why not?

we tend to make recommendations based on the needs of the OP. if he won't ever NEED that kind of power, then recommending excessive power is simply a waste and would be considered poor advice. it's like recommending someone to use 106 octane aircraft fuel in their toyota tercel biggrin.gif it will never need that grade of fuel and it's a waste to having to drive to the airport to fuel up the commuter car smile.gif

7870 is not a weak card. it still far exceeds the needs of the OP since 7870 IS in fact a gaming grade chip smile.gif the card i linked happens to be one of the cards that allows for 6 way eyefinity on a single card (i'm sure there are other brands, i just picked the 1st one i saw off google so I'm not making any endorsement or anything it's just a whatever showed up on google tongue.gif ) which is what the OP is looking for. of the business applications i've ever seen, i have yet to see ANY "business" software that requires that much power to render.

as for practical reasons... electric usage, heat generation, acoustics... why feed a monster card when you don't need to.. of course we can talk the OP into F@H biggrin.gif but i think that's a different agenda biggrin.gif
post #52 of 65
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This seems to make sense as what is shown is similar to what I am wanting to be able to build and operate.

One question that keeps coming up has to do with one program I deal with. I have used it for years with no problems until the last year or so as they keep adding to their program and updating and so on. They went from needing a video card that can carry 1/2 gig to now saying I need a video card that has 2 gig capacity. Their program is very intense in taking memory or something to run it, if you use a lot of what it has to offer (please excuse me if I have some of this mis-stated). Most are JAVA based and run fine with what I currently have but when I am running this one program the demands on my computers, all three, bog down to super slow speed. My mouse will crawl and when I click onto something it can take 15 seconds to complete, this is absolutely not acceptable in what I do. When I have their tech support help me and they even take control of my computer(s) they tell me the same thing, my computer is not big enough, fast enough and the video or graphic card (?) needs to be 2 gig.. (I think that is about how the conversation goes.

So, I am willing to invest in a computer build I just am not sure what goes with what and I would rather have over kill than slow or not big enough or however the correct way to say it would be.

I run off a cable internet. I purchased a Apple Time Machine with the router and was told that was great to use, if anyone know about this part please let me know if I need to do something different here. It has a speed of 10 MB (?) whatever that is it is 10. When I do a speed test it always comes in at 9.68 or so. I would love to have more but right now that is all there is.

That is about all I know to add to see if it helps clear anything up. So far, I do not mind what has been said and shown and I am not trying to get by, nor do I want to go crazy but I do want to have plenty to do what I want to and not have to worry about messing with this for some time to come if possible.

Thanks again to all who are replying, it is very much appreciated and quite an education.

Steve

What program is this?

Unless the program can take advantage of a stronger GPU (or you're planning to game) a basic multi monitor GPU will work.
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Where are you located?


Based on what you have stated your needs are,this is what I would recommend.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3enjz

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thank you redwood.

I am trying now to figure my shopping list from all of the comments that have been made. I appreciate your taking the time to make one for me, that is very kind. I wish I knew enough to just pick it but I am trying to follow as much of the good advice I have received.

I am in NC in the mountains, little town called Franklin

I will start looking each part up and try to see about reviews as mentioned. I am not sure if the hard drive was listed in other parts but I appreciate that being in there as well along with the SSD Drive.

Thanks again,
Steve
post #55 of 65
Thread Starter 
wow, i did not realize you made a list, I just printed it and was going to try to figure out how to look it all up, that was so very nice of you!

This has really been a wonderful experience so far with all the help, I wish I knew enough to talk intelligetly with everyone but all of you hav made me feel at ease with this process and not made to feel like an idiot.

Thanks again
post #56 of 65
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One more question with this

I am still not real sure of the video card part but is this one of the cards that all seemed to agree with that it will carry the load as well as allow me to hook up to 6-8 monitors to it?

It seems as if most like the Radeon (?) one listed is this an AMD that was mentioned?

This is really great to have such a nice list that seems to have most of what everyone was talking about.

Thanks again
Steve
post #57 of 65
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One more question with this

I am still not real sure of the video card part but is this one of the cards that all seemed to agree with that it will carry the load as well as allow me to hook up to 6-8 monitors to it?

It seems as if most like the Radeon (?) one listed is this an AMD that was mentioned?

This is really great to have such a nice list that seems to have most of what everyone was talking about.

Thanks again
Steve

Yes,it is an AMD GPU.
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One question that keeps coming up has to do with one program I deal with. I have used it for years with no problems until the last year or so as they keep adding to their program and updating and so on. They went from needing a video card that can carry 1/2 gig to now saying I need a video card that has 2 gig capacity. Their program is very intense in taking memory or something to run it, if you use a lot of what it has to offer (please excuse me if I have some of this mis-stated)

you may want to just give us the name of the program and we can see what kind of spec's that software requires... i'm sure no business software is going to be too heavy on volumetric fog or tessellation or anything that requires heavy GPU usage biggrin.gif alot of the people who hang out on OCN actually works in the IT industry so I wouldn't be surprised if some of us are familiar with the offending software in question. but in all honesty it's likely other problems (poorly written/optimized code) that's causing the stuttering that you are describing which would not be solved by throwing endless amount of hardware at it. also the primary usage on business software are CPU bound. meaning a faster CPU is more beneficial in getting the kind of results you are looking for. the GPU is there only to to display the data stream and charts etc which take next to no power at all to render...

there are also other aspects of computing habit that the end user (you) must be aware of. for example i had a client who had a 12GB outlook PST file... it takes FOREVER for him to open his email because the sheer size of it. moving to SSD helped relieve some of that problem, but the source of his problem is that he has EVERY SINGLE email that has EVER been sent to and from him for over 10 years.... that includes any and all spam mail and chain mail and anything that he's ever "deleted" since he's never cleaned out his deleted mail... there are also the unreasonable files such as the 250mb xls files he tries to open. it take like 5min's to open even on a SSD biggrin.gif a file that size really doesn't belong in something like a xls or csv file... it needs to be converted to a database file. this is a user problem and it needs to be resolved with changing the usage habits of the user (at least archive the "deleted items" on the email once a year if you intend to keep them etc...)

so... my personal feeling on what's happening is a mix of different issues. older computer hardware together with poorly written updated code that cause this stuttering problem you are describing. it's likely that a new chip with more memory will help with the symptoms, but there are other concerns that may need to be addressed before we get to the actual meat of the problem. and what it comes down to is i seriously doubt it's a "video card" problem unless you have a "business program" that use alot of SMAA and AF etc... smile.gif
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You likely have a very good point since this is a 2007 IMAC and I use it for a lot of video editing, a lot of photos along with video clips, Imovie with a lot of files. I keep most emails but they are on gmail and I did not realize that would affect my computer usage.
I recently had a 256 SSD Drive put in it and cleaned a ton of stuff onto my external drives and on and on. It does a lot of work.

Having said all of that, it would still run the program fairly well until they made major upgrades and from then I have had problems on it and had them work online with my stuff, all three computers and they are the ones who told me it was the card (or something). The one program is TOS Think or Swim

I really do not understand all of this but it has a lot to do with just having a dedicated computer that will be used for virtually nothing else. I want as much speed and power as practical so I do not have a problem. If it is something else, I would love to understand it better. Still two other very important programs I use only work on PC's (not mac stuff) and so I would like to have one computer that works all of this from one site or one computer. I hope this makes sense from someone who is not always sure of the technical stuff.

Thank you for even trying to help figure this out. I have removed programs. I bought a simple HP Laptop that is only used for running two of these programs and it does perform pretty well, I do not even use it for email unless I have to scan something but it has little of nothing used on it except to run two of these programs. So, that is why I decided to have a dedicated system for this use.

Any comments are very much appreciated as I guess I really do not understand how to keep a computer clean.

This Imac did improve with opening up and so forth with the SSD and I put in 6 RAM of memory which helped a lot but still did not solve the problem.

Steve
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i'm not a mac person, so i don't know how well the "windows on mac" type emulators work. it may be that is the bulk of your problem. the issues are simply amplified by the emulation software since it's not a native mac software and aspects of the emulation may be detrimental to the performance of the software. what you may want to do is pose the same question on the mac side of the forum

http://www.overclock.net/f/251/mac

and maybe some of the guru's there would be able to tell you which windows emulation software works best.

as far as email is concerned, that is only an example. if you use gmail and leave the mail on google's server, then there is no problems at all. the example i used was based on microsoft outlook where my client downloads all his mail onto his local machine instead of leaving it on the server. it may not be relevant in your case.

a 2007 mac is getting up there in age so it may be a good time to get a new laptop if you prefer to stay mobile. most of us here build PC's but i'm sure there are a few hackintosh enthusiasts around the mac side of the forum that can give better advice if you prefer to stay on the apple side of things.

this is more of less your main decision atm. whether to stay mac or convert to PC. pretty much everything available for mac has a PC equivalent, however the reverse is not always true. then again, if you prefer mac, i'm sure things can be done better to eliminate some of the problems you are experiencing through sheer overbuilt machine. biggrin.gif
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