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Hello everyone...

Intel will be launching an unlocked Pentium Dual Core soon... which got me talking with some people on another thread and of course people are saying that games can take advantage of more than 2 cores... well that is usually untrue and I would like to prove it to everyone or make myself look like a fool by disproving it.

I am going to be setting up some benchmarks of 3D Games that show what kind of performance gains can be achieved from running 2 or 4 cores on a i5 unlocked Haswell and then a set of benchmarks on a 4 core processor with HT in a 2 core w/ out HT, 2 core w/ HT, and 4 core w/ HT

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Before I run these test I would like to ask everyone if there are some games that they would specifically like me to test.

Battlefield 3 has already been proven to have NO gains in performance from a dual-core with no Hyper-Threading to a 6 core with Hyper-Threading and every setting in-between... In fact the game ran with a minimal hit in performance with only 1 core enabled and hyper-threading enabled. The game was unable to start with only 1 core and no hyper-threading.


As a little pre-test to make sure I am not wasting my time I did run a short 30 second test on Assassin's Creed: Black Flag and as I expected there was no for sure loss in speed. Both tests where within 5% of each other which is easily margin of error since it is a manual benchmark of the same path walked twice.


I would love to hear any recommendations as to settings to try as far as processor speeds as well as what games to try

As of right now my list of benchmark games will be:

Assassin's Creed: Black Flag
Hitman: Absolution
Far Cry 3
Crysis 3
Battlefield 4
Metro Last Light
Bioshock Infinite
Batman Arkam Origins
F1 2013
Witcher 2
Tomb Raider 2013


I know that at least Bioshock, Hitman and Metro have benchmark apps built in some others may as well but I want a nice mix of built in benches and walk through benches.

Any other recommendations please bring em... Skyrim and BF3 have already been thoroughly disproved as to benefitting from more than 2 cores so I won't be doing those.
Edited by givmedew - 3/21/14 at 2:15am
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Some games run better on AMD and vice versa though.

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Exactly as Twocables has stated, some games utilize AMD better than INTEL and vice versa. Also the amount of cores depends on your components imo most cases it is 4 cores from intel - and 6-8 from AMD (usually the higher the better frames you get it may be minimal per more cores).
    
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I think that you'd huge need a team of people with a large variety of video cards and CPUs and memory kits (a large variety of configurations) to have a chance of getting some definitive or accurate results. I mean, all you're going to find out is, what games run best on the configurations that you choose.

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I think that you'd huge need a team of people with a large variety of video cards and CPUs and memory kits (a large variety of configurations) to have a chance of getting some definitive or accurate results. I mean, all you're going to find out is, what games run best on the configurations that you choose.

I'm looking to see if the games perform better with more cores... I will be using the same architecture to perform these tests. This isn't a AMD vs NVIDIA test it is a 2 core vs 4 core or HT vs no HT test.

I'm not sure why you would think all these other variables would matter. If I am doing the tests on in 2 core mode and 4 core mode on one machine and then 2 core, 2 core HT, and 4 core HT on another machine then how on earth do you figure the results would not be accurate?

The only other thing I would need to just rule out that maybe some games could use more cores on AMD but not on Intel would be to do the same test on an 8350 and I have access to that.

I also do have a stack of video cards but that would start getting pretty daunting of a task.

I figure it would be best to use HIGH END video cards because they would more readily show performance gains if there where any.


Again in a different way how can these issues that you are mentioning cause an issue with my testing if the question is simply this:

Do I get better gaming performance with 4 cores vs only 2 cores. I will even be giving you results with a slower processor that is not overclocked and a faster processor that is overclocked.

I am a bit baffled at why you think this would not be useful "definitive information"

I mean watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PDoy-mi0A

Tell me why you think that information is with completely ignoring as many people are?

I want to do this because if it can help save people money on the CPU to put more into the GPU then the info is worth it... but obviously not if everyone just discredits the information for silly reasons.
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I'm looking to see if the games perform better with more cores... I will be using the same architecture to perform these tests. This isn't a AMD vs NVIDIA test it is a 2 core vs 4 core or HT vs no HT test.

 

Yeah, but Intel CPUs are different from AMD CPUs. That's my point. Not only that, but there are different architectures to consider and also the way some CPUs work with some GPUs. The same goes for games: some games are better on Intel and some are better on AMD. Some are better on NVIDIA, and some on AMD. The results could be quite skewed. That's all I'm saying.

 

 

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I'm not sure why you would think all these other variables would matter. If I am doing the tests on in 2 core mode and 4 core mode on one machine and then 2 core, 2 core HT, and 4 core HT on another machine then how on earth do you figure the results would not be accurate?

 

They'd be accurate for those parts, but how can you expect these results to reflect the results that people would get with an entirely different CPU with the same number of cores? What if the architecture is different? What if the cache is different? What if the brand of CPU is different? I'd even go as far as saying that the memory you have plays a role and so does the video card and even the resolution.

 

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The only other thing I would need to just rule out that maybe some games could use more cores on AMD but not on Intel would be to do the same test on an 8350 and I have access to that.

I also do have a stack of video cards but that would start getting pretty daunting of a task.

I figure it would be best to use HIGH END video cards because they would more readily show performance gains if there where any.

 

So, let's leave out people who can't afford the high-end cards. :)

 

Y'see what I'm sayin? The very nature of what you truly wish to accomplish is a pretty daunting task. I would want to see results from both AMD and Intel, and from a few different lines that they offer. For example: Intel. I'd like to see 2nd Generation, 3rd, 4th, i3, i5, i7. I'd also like to see Pentium, Extreme, etc. AMD: well, I don't know AMD's CPUs, but the same kind of variety. The number of cores is just one aspect! Not every dual core will perform the same. Not every quad core will. Not every hexacore will. Not over octacore will. There are differences in architecture, the way AMD's CPUs are made vs. Intel's, the cache, etc.

 

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Again in a different way how can these issues that you are mentioning cause an issue with my testing if the question is simply this:

Do I get better gaming performance with 4 cores vs only 2 cores. I will even be giving you results with a slower processor that is not overclocked and a faster processor that is overclocked.

I am a bit baffled at why you think this would not be useful "definitive information"

I mean watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PDoy-mi0A

Tell me why you think that information is with completely ignoring as many people are?

 

I don't understand the question as it is worded. However, I think I may have already answered all of this in my paragraph above. I'll still watch the video if you'd like me to though.

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Look forward to seeing your results givmedew! I'm of the belief no games use more than 4 cores currently. Add Tomb Raider 2013, and The Witcher 2 to your list. smile.gif
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WOW... I still can't agree with you except to agree that your very good at finding something to say about all of this stuff...

If a GAME NOT the CPU can't utilize more than 2 cores on multiple different architectures it's fair to say it is going to have similar results across the board... I am willing to give these games the chance to utilize more than 2 cores on 3 different kind of processors AND with or without HT. How can you say that these 3 processors could all end up being broken as far lending more than 2 cores to a video game yet say that older processors would be able to lend more than 2 cores to the games??? Because that is what your saying unless you completely misunderstand the point of the test... because the only point of the test is too see if developers have YET made a game that has better performance on 4 cores than on 2 cores.

So, let's leave out people who can't afford the high-end cards. smile.gif

I guess this is where I start getting a little upset with what you are doing... It has nothing to with what people can and can not afford... The only reason for using a high end video card is to give the game every chance it can to make use of more processor power if it can actually make use of more processing power... If I used a low end card and the GPU was at 99% utilization and there where never ever situations that the GPU slowed down because of the CPU then what good would that test be?

I am trying to see whether or not games can typically make use of more than 2 cores... That doesn't have a whole lot to do with the architecture... it has more to do with the way the games are developed.

If I used 3 VERY different yet common and fairly current to most current architectures and they all displayed the same exact results how would that information not be useful?

What I hypothesize in my test results is: Most or possibly all games will have a minor to unmeasurable difference in performance between 2 cores vs 4, 4 w/ht and 8 By using an 8 core AMD, 4 core haswell, and older HT CPU I will be covering brands, generations, and the HT feature itself If my the results end up showing me that my hypothesis is incorrect it would show on what level... as in all games performed better, some, a few, etc

I am wondering how you find that information would be useless and flawed? Or maybe I am not wondering since it seems you have found a way to say something negative about everything I have set up...

Again what I am trying to find is whether or not GAMES can take advantage of more than 2 cores... NOT what processors and GPUs are best...

Seriously how if the results are similar for all 3 types of CPUs can this data be irrelevant? Are you saying that maybe some older processors out there are more capable of lending multiple cores to games and that these newer processors are incapable of actually allowing a game to use more than 2 of the cores?

Can I ask you to take a step back and possibly rethink your swift conclusion?
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Look forward to seeing your results givmedew! I'm of the belief no games use more than 4 cores currently. Add Tomb Raider 2013, and The Witcher 2 to your list. smile.gif

Have both...

I am hoping to show that even 4 cores are marginally or not at all better so long as you do not have some multi-tasking going on in the background which in case I absolutely feel that a quad core will decimate a dual core BUT maybe not a dual core with HT which is why I think I will do some multi tasking tests with 2 core no HT, 2 core HT, and 4 core HT.

I really want to see if it is worth me making a budget HTPC based off the upcoming Unlocked Pentium Dual Core... I will only do it if it can break 4GHz and has almost as good of single threaded clock for clock performance as a 4670K does.

Either way I think it would be some good info.
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I don't want to keep going back and forth. I said my piece.

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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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