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Battlefield 3 has already been proven to have NO gains in performance from a dual-core with no Hyper-Threading to a 6 core with Hyper-Threading and every setting in-between... In fact the game ran with a minimal hit in performance with only 1 core enabled and hyper-threading enabled. The game was unable to start with only 1 core and no hyper-threading.

This is not in line with my experience at all. BF3 is highly threaded. I once ran it on my old p45 system for fun (completely CPU bound with a GTX 580). With an E8400 it was unplayable, but with a Q9400 is was barely playable.

Also, the usage on my 2600k typically showed something like 85%, 85%, 75%, 99% (HT disabled). I never tried disabling cores, but if I took away two of those cores I don't think for a second that there wouldn't be a substantial hit on performance. What's it doing on those cores? Filling them with fluff?
Edited by Oubadah - 3/21/14 at 1:58am
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Are you beginning to see what I'm saying now, givemedew?

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Battlefield 3 has already been proven to have NO gains in performance from a dual-core with no Hyper-Threading to a 6 core with Hyper-Threading and every setting in-between... In fact the game ran with a minimal hit in performance with only 1 core enabled and hyper-threading enabled. The game was unable to start with only 1 core and no hyper-threading.

This is not in line with my experience at all. BF3 is highly threaded. I once ran it on my old p45 system for fun (completely CPU bound with a GTX 580). With an E8400 it was unplayable, but with a Q9400 is was barely playable.

Also, the usage on my 2600k typically showed something like 85%, 85%, 75%, 99% (HT disabled). I never tried disabling cores, but if I took away two of those cores I don't think for a second that there wouldn't be a substantial hit on performance. What's it doing on those cores? Filling them with fluff?

I totally bet that what you are saying is exactly what you experienced...

I would like to point to these 2 things though... You did not try disabling 2 of your cores...

Please watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PDoy-mi0A

This is why I want to do these tests though... I am HOPING TO GOD that you are correct and that without 4 cores there is no way to play any of these games with decent performance...

I want to believe that I am getting every single ounce of performance out of my CPU that I paid for...

The only thing is that if what you are saying IS TRUE then most likely the game would perform better for you if you enabled HT...
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Are you beginning to see what I'm saying now, givemedew?

I don't really agree with your point either, but maybe I just don't care because I'm not interested in AMD CPUs, and very interested in the Haswell architecture he's testing.

I don't want to insult OP's intelligence, but what kind of BF3 benchmarks was he looking at? The SP runs most reviewers use are utterly meaningless. Large MP matches is where it's at.
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Are you beginning to see what I'm saying now, givemedew?

Seeing what?

You mean about the message from "Oubadah"

Yes I am seeing exactly why I want to do this test... You have people who believe whole heartedly that without 4 cores they wouldn't be able to play these games well... I am hoping they are right I really am. But you have people who comparing experiences with older slower architectures to newer faster architectures. They never actually tested that same CPU with less cores... they just compared their older CPU that was slower. less cores, and a different architecture... of course there is going to be a significant difference.

I wont be making those comparisons...

I will be comparing identical architectures to themselves.

I would love to see my hypothesis blown to crap...

All I am saying about what you said is that everything you said is ridiculous... It is very simple to show whether or not more cores makes a difference. I am not going to skew the results by using crappy cards or enabling settings like v-sync or anything like. I am running high end cards to give the game a chance to show performance gains... I want the frame rate to be limited by the CPU at least a little bit in both situations so we can really see what these games can do...


Are you beginning to see what I'm saying now, TwoCables?

Either more cores does or does not help... it isn't going to be that difficult to test for.
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Please watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PDoy-mi0A
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I just watched it, and it was exactly the type of thing I was referring to when I said:
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The SP runs most reviewers use are utterly meaningless.

He's benching the BF3 SP, which I don't think anyone would expect to be a very CPU heavy situation. You have to bench something like a 64 player MP match - I know replication is an issue, but otherwise you'd just be wasting your time.

I'll post these again:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Examples of the CPU bottleneck:







The second-to-last percentage in the GPU line is load, and the unlabelled row of four percentages is the CPU cores.

As you can see there is significant load on all four cores of the 2600k in these CPU bound BF3 scenarios.
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OK just got done with the first round of testing...

I ran some tests with 2 cores, 3 cores, and 4 cores.

Assassian's Creed: Black Flag:

SETTINGS: Everything on the absolute highest setting except AA is TSAA 2X and V-SYNC IS OFF

In all scenarios my average frame rates ended at 46-50 frames... These are manual run throughs I did 5 40 second run through each.

I am going to loosen up the graphics settings and see if I can get it to a situation where it shows some differences but so far that game doesn't seem to do much with extra cores

Hitman: Absolutions

SETTINGS: NO MSAA, Default set to ULTRA then Bloom reduced to LOW and reflections set to MEDIUM because too much bloom and reflections makes the certain things look horrible in the game. Like people foreheads look like spotlights

This game made major use of extra cores... It showed scaling from 2 to 3 to 4 cores. This will def be a game that I want to look for differences in 4 cores with HT and without HT and 2 cores with and without HT... If it performs better with HT I might go buy myself an i7

2 cores:



3 cores:



4 cores:



Battlefield 4:

I have not had time to do actual gameplay tests on this one yet since I am focusing on games with built in benchmarks first BUT

2 Cores: GAME DOES NOT WORK

3 Cores: GAME WORKS

4 Cores: Game WORKS

This is a good enough reason to me to NOT BUY THE PENTIUM DUAL CORE FOR GAMING!!! that is actually the end all be all defining moment right there. GAME DOES NOT PLAY with 2 Cores... It will however most likely play with 2 cores and HT.


The next game I will benchmark is Bioshock Infinite... then I will make some very exacting routes for AC: Black Flag and Battlefield 4.

AFTER THAT...

You guys tell me what you want to see next... I'm doing tests on the 4670K first... the 8-Core AMD and the HT tests will have to wait till I run these first... I don't recommend The Witcher as a top priority I seem to remember that game being heavily stuck into 2-core utilization.
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You guys tell me what you want to see next...

Crysis 3. I bet there's going to be a significant difference in that one.



Massive, massive CPU load on all four cores with the 2600k - can't wait to get an Intel hex and see if it can scale up for myself.

Far Cry 3's going to be interesting too, I might have a look at that one as I have it currently installed.

Choose wisely where you take your benchmarks.
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Samsung SSD 840 PRO 256GB Noctua NH-U12S (+NF-S12A PWM) Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1/Windows 10 Pro x64 Super Flower Leadex Gold 750W 
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Corsair Carbide Air 540 (+3x NF-S12A FLX) Asus Xonar Essence STX 
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Intel Core i7-6700K 4GHz Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Designare F23a Corsair LPX 32GB CMK32GX4M4A2133C13 Samsung SSD 840 PRO 512GB 
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Samsung SSD 840 PRO 512GB Noctua NH-U12S (+NF-S12A PWM) Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1/Windows 10 Pro x64 EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750W 
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Silverstone Fortress FT02 (+4x NF-A14 PWM) 
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Samsung 830 (128GB) + 840 Evo (250GB) Seagate 1TB Lamptron FC5 V2 Fan Controller 2 x XSPC Razor GTX Titan / 780 Waterblock 
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1 x EX 360 / 1 x EX 240 Radiator XSPC D5 Vario Pump with Front Cover EK D5 X-TOP CSQ - Acetal PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing Red 7/... 
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Bitspower 150 mulit z and Fittings XSPC RayStorm CPU Waterblock for Intel 11 x Gentle Typhoon AP-15 Windows 7  
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Qnix QX2710 Evolution II @ 102Hz microsoft wireless Corsair AX 860 Corsair 750D 
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microsoft wireless LG blu-ray home theatre system 5.1 surround Razer Blackshark Gaming Headset Xbox 360 Controller 
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i5 3470 @ 3,2 Gigabyte Z77X-D3H GTX 650ti Boost Corsair 2x4 GB 
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Fijitsu 60GB SSD/OS Seagate 1TB Hard Drive/Everything Else Asus DVD Drive CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Cooler 
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Just Add Water
(24 items)
 
Wife's Rig....
(14 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3820 @ 4.5 HT (on) 1.3v ASUS Rampage IV Formula GTX 780 SLI G.Skill Ripjaws 4x4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 830 (128GB) + 840 Evo (250GB) Seagate 1TB Lamptron FC5 V2 Fan Controller 2 x XSPC Razor GTX Titan / 780 Waterblock 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1 x EX 360 / 1 x EX 240 Radiator XSPC D5 Vario Pump with Front Cover EK D5 X-TOP CSQ - Acetal PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing Red 7/... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Bitspower 150 mulit z and Fittings XSPC RayStorm CPU Waterblock for Intel 11 x Gentle Typhoon AP-15 Windows 7  
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Qnix QX2710 Evolution II @ 102Hz microsoft wireless Corsair AX 860 Corsair 750D 
MouseAudioAudioOther
microsoft wireless LG blu-ray home theatre system 5.1 surround Razer Blackshark Gaming Headset Xbox 360 Controller 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 3470 @ 3,2 Gigabyte Z77X-D3H GTX 650ti Boost Corsair 2x4 GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Fijitsu 60GB SSD/OS Seagate 1TB Hard Drive/Everything Else Asus DVD Drive CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Cooler 
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Win 7 BenQ Microsoft Antec 520 
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Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 USB3.0 Tower Microsoft 
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