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I forgot where I read it but an article that I saw said that by 2020 kids won't know what it was like to boot a slow PC because by then SSD's/Flash Storage will have completely replaced platter drives. So, I guess its getting there it's just not fully there yet.

I doubt my kids even know that the pc turns off.
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I forgot where I read it but an article that I saw said that by 2020 kids won't know what it was like to boot a slow PC because by then SSD's/Flash Storage will have completely replaced platter drives. So, I guess its getting there it's just not fully there yet.

Smartphones and tablets are already always-on devices (assuming you don't forget to charge them). I reckon extremely low standby/idle power consumption coupled will have more to do with the lack of slow boot than anything else. Mind, having flash storage isn't everything. My Windows computers boot way faster than any of my Android and iOS devices.
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Smartphones and tablets are already always-on devices (assuming you don't forget to charge them). I reckon extremely low standby/idle power consumption coupled will have more to do with the lack of slow boot than anything else. Mind, having flash storage isn't everything. My Windows computers boot way faster than any of my Android and iOS devices.

Well, to be fair the CPU's in your Sig Rig PC's even the first gen i7's are still faster than most current Phone/Tablet CPU's which helps with booting
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Well, to be fair the CPU's in your Sig Rig PC's even the first gen i7's are still faster than most current Phone/Tablet CPU's which helps with booting
My point exactly. I doubt even top of line mobile ARM CPU's can compare with the aged Core 2 Duo E8400. However, you don't see a lot of folks complaining about, say, an iPad's boot time since most people just leave them on all the time.
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I forgot where I read it but an article that I saw said that by 2020 kids won't know what it was like to boot a slow PC because by then SSD's/Flash Storage will have completely replaced platter drives. So, I guess its getting there it's just not fully there yet.

By 2020, we should have mainstream replacement of DRAM..... These new technologies are non-volatile and faster.

Instead, they would be asking "What's booting?"
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By 2020, we should have mainstream replacement of DRAM..... These new technologies are non-volatile and faster.

Instead, they would be asking "What's booting?"
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By 2020, we should have mainstream replacement of DRAM..... These new technologies are non-volatile and faster.

Instead, they would be asking "What's booting?"

I like the thought, but my bet is we will still be on DDR4 in 2020.

DDR3 came about in 2007.... 7 years ago.
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A non-volatile replacement for DRAM would be great, given similar or better speeds. The technology that can replace our present system of non-volatile storage will revolutionize computers. I/O from a non-volatile storage medium is the main bottleneck in any computer.

But would we still have say 16GB - 64GB of the non-volatile replacement for DRAM, rather than the capacity of a SSD, say 256GB+? If so, then we would "boot", or really load an OS into that memory only when necessary, while having a copy of it on a storage drive or another media.

I was researching an older mother board for a forum question recently, and was reminded how primitive and pathetic most PCs were at the beginning of the 21st century. DDR memory, SATA I, PATA, IDE storage interfaces. I started building PCs in the socket 775 era, and the industry has come a long way since then, but I can't help but think how poor PCs were in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

Interesting to consider that SSDs could be obsolete or the equivalent of a USB flash drive, while mechanical HDDs are still in existence and our main form of non-volatile storage. Given the foothold HDDs have in the enterprise world, I would be surprised if they were unknown or close to it in 2020.
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A non-volatile replacement for DRAM would be great, given similar or better speeds. The technology that can replace our present system of non-volatile storage will revolutionize computers. I/O from a non-volatile storage medium is the main bottleneck in any computer.

But would we still have say 16GB - 64GB of the non-volatile replacement for DRAM, rather than the capacity of a SSD, say 256GB+? If so, then we would "boot", or really load an OS into that memory only when necessary, while having a copy of it on a storage drive or another media.

I was researching an older mother board for a forum question recently, and was reminded how primitive and pathetic most PCs were at the beginning of the 21st century. DDR memory, SATA I, PATA, IDE storage interfaces. I started building PCs in the socket 775 era, and the industry has come a long way since then, but I can't help but think how poor PCs were in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

Interesting to consider that SSDs could be obsolete or the equivalent of a USB flash drive, while mechanical HDDs are still in existence and our main form of non-volatile storage. Given the foothold HDDs have in the enterprise world, I would be surprised if they were unknown or close to it in 2020.

Yeah, its amazing how far storage and memory has come. When my sister got her first computer when she was entering high school in 2001, she got a Gateway with a 20GB IDE HDD, that PC was about $1500 IIRC. Now you can get a PC with Terabytes of information for under $500 (Non gaming PC of course). So its kinda incredible how far storage and memory devices have come.
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I like the thought, but my bet is we will still be on DDR4 in 2020.

DDR3 came about in 2007.... 7 years ago.
PRAM were on the market by Micron until recently. MRAM is also available and in very limited use already.

Odds are that DDR4 will still around in 2020... but one can hope DDR begins to move down the memory hierarchy.

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A non-volatile replacement for DRAM would be great, given similar or better speeds. The technology that can replace our present system of non-volatile storage will revolutionize computers. I/O from a non-volatile storage medium is the main bottleneck in any computer.

But would we still have say 16GB - 64GB of the non-volatile replacement for DRAM, rather than the capacity of a SSD, say 256GB+? If so, then we would "boot", or really load an OS into that memory only when necessary, while having a copy of it on a storage drive or another media.
The new memory technologies will take decades to get cheap enough for large quantities so we would probably still have 16-64GB of it.

However, why would we still have to boot? If you cut power to the system, the OS state at that point in time will be safe. There wouldn't be transactions in volatile memory at all so all states would be on non-volatile memory.
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