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If it ends up being just the startup that is causing the noise and not routine access while it is already spinning then you can change it so that it is always spinning and does not idle down:

 

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If it ends up being just the startup that is causing the noise and not routine access while it is already spinning then you can change it so that it is always spinning and does not idle down:



the sound is from routine access frown.gif, im backup-ing 300gb of files from the wd red drive to an external, and its tock tock tock all the way. but as soon as i cancel the file operation and leave the drive alone, it's really quiet...

idk how sturdy is sturdy...

here's another pict of the lock mechanism

any test i can do other than crystaldiskinfo?
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This isn't a difficult question.

Does it move or not?
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The metal of the case touching the HDD could theoretically amplify whatever sounds the HDD makes (though I can't imagine it being this extreme like you describe).

I would test this in an open case, pull the HDD out of the mounting system and put it somewhere flat and sturdy like the ground or some solid box like object next to the case. I'd use something like a cloth mouse pad as cushion so that nothing amplifies sounds. Don't move the HDD while it's running or there's a risk the movement will lead to errors if it's accessing stuff in that moment.
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This isn't a difficult question.

Does it move or not?

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The metal of the case touching the HDD could theoretically amplify whatever sounds the HDD makes (though I can't imagine it being this extreme like you describe).

I would test this in an open case, pull the HDD out of the mounting system and put it somewhere flat and sturdy like the ground or some solid box like object next to the case. I'd use something like a cloth mouse pad as cushion so that nothing amplifies sounds. Don't move the HDD while it's running or there's a risk the movement will lead to errors if it's accessing stuff in that moment.

inside the case i couldn't move it left and right, it stayed in place. it wiggles a little bit up and down though.

so... i did some tests and some googling....

number one i'd like to report some good news. i took out the drive from the case and put it on top of my motherboard cardboard box just to test it out. i put it side by side with my external wd green and copy a 100 gb files to both,, one drive and then the other. so... the tock tock sound is still there even after i took the drive out.. but it's not as loud as marble falling to the floor anymore. it's lower now.

as you probably aware by now... i'm very new to PC so i don't have a comparison of what a regular quiet~loud drive sounds like (though i did YT how wd drive sounded like)
by the way... after scrutinizing the sounds very closely.. it makes me have a couple of questions i'd like to ask...

i noticed that there are 2 kinds of noise coming from a hard drive, whirring fan-like sound and the tock tock sound.

the green emits noticeable whirring fan-like sound continously, however the tock tock sound is very low and at an irregular interval. (like tock... tock tock.. tock tock.... tock...) there's a period of quietness between the tock noise.

the red however, if i dont put my ear very closely above the drive, i couldn't hear the wirring fan-like sound, so that part is great. but the tock tock sound when being accessed is at a regular interval (like tock tock tock tock tock tock tock to infinity), whenever i stop accessing the red drive, the tock almost instantly.

it's not loud but since it's at a regular interval it's probably takes a little while to get used to, and it's kind of driving me a little nuts tbh.

so my question is...
1) whenever a hard drive is being access, will it emits tock tock sound non-stop? if i copy 800 gb worth of files to the drive and it takes an hour, will it goes tock tock tock non-stop for an hour?
similarly.. if i edit video / picture files on the drive.. is that considered access? will it tock tock non-stop the whole time as well?

2) is that tock tock sound what drive reviews meant by "seek sound / seeking noise"?

3) lastly... what's that whirring-fan noise i hear regularly from the drive? is that the platter spin noise or is there a small fan inside a drive?

4) is the whirring noise what is called "idle sound"?

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also from googling i found that my wd red model from google 68EUZN0 is affected by high LCC count and when ppl check it with some tools it revealed that it have 8 seconds head parking or smthn which makes the lcc count high.

just a little more question
1) does the 8 seconds head parking has anything to do with the constant tock tock noise while in use, or is it irrelevant?

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btw, if i decide to buy a new drive if after a month or so i couldnt stand the tock tock noise... a im leaning towards green since its really cheap here but. im going to use it 24/4 however... or 24/5 even. is wd green a good way to go? reading all the newegg reviews on green made me worries haha. where i live... 2tb green cost $85... 2tb seagate nas hdd cost $142
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Since it does have some wiggle try attaching it with screws instead of the quick release.
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The whirring noise is the platters spinning inside. You won't get better sound regarding that than what you see from your WD drives. Both are 5400 RPM. The typical drive is 7200 RPM and noisier so if you don't like this, you probably shouldn't buy a Seagate NAS drive (though you might want to if you see it is 5400 RPM).

Theoretically, WD promises a bit more from a WD Red compared to the Green, things like that it might take a lot of vibrations when it's grouped with a lot of other HDDs inside a metal enclosure. This could mean something is built better, more rigid materials and things positioned more exact or something, causing the spinning to be smoother. This is probably a lie. Both WD Green and WD Red can take vibrations well when grouped with a lot of other HDDs, something that desktop HDDs sometimes fail at. I'd guess every WD Red model is overall very similar to some WD Green model.

That head parking stuff is enabled on all Greens, I think. You shouldn't buy those if you don't like it.

I actually seem to have the exact same WD Red drive as you. Here is how CrystalDiskInfo reports SMART data for me and you can see it is the exact same model number you mention:



I'd say my drive is definitely doing what you mentioned about load/unload of the heads. If it would not do it, it should theoretically not be much different than the power-on count. My numbers are just somewhat low compared to what people report in forums because I don't use the drive much. It probably goes for most of the day without any access.

I will research that "wdidle3" DOS tool and report back on if I can disable this head parking stuff. On that note, thank you for mentioning this stuff, never knew that this drive has this. biggrin.gif

Looking around a little, it seems it should be configured at 8 seconds currently. But that's not how you hear your tock-tock-tock, is it? I don't think my drive does things like what your report. Is that tock about as loud as what you know from your Green?

About the metal case... if the HDD touches the metal directly, it will hammer that tock into the metal of the case and it will be louder than normal. My drive is on rubber, does not touch the metal case directly. I don't know how you'd best go about working around this. There are ghetto mods you can do that work very well if you will never move the case around. There are also contraptions you can buy that will hang up your drive on rubber inside a 5.25" drive cage.
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Since it does have some wiggle try attaching it with screws instead of the quick release.

they dont give me screws i can buy some though. but i'll change my pc case once h440 is available so it's fine.
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The whirring noise is the platters spinning inside. You won't get better sound regarding that than what you see from your WD drives. Both are 5400 RPM. The typical drive is 7200 RPM and noisier so if you don't like this, you probably shouldn't buy a Seagate NAS drive (though you might want to if you see it is 5400 RPM).

Looking around a little, it seems it should be configured at 8 seconds currently. But that's not how you hear your tock-tock-tock, is it? I don't think my drive does things like what your report. Is that tock about as loud as what you know from your Green?

it's still far louder than the green. i cant rmmbr whether ive mentioned this or not, but i live next to the train station, so i can tune out a lot of sound. anyway.., the sound goes from "dear god it's loud" (inside) to "yeah okay i can live with this" (cardboard). taking it out and putting it on a cardboard box reduces the sound significantly, i'm going to change the PC case anw though when H440 is available...

what i really want to know about the sound is that, whenever i watch video / copy-pasting / arranging & creating folders... both drives emits a clicking / ticking noise...

1) is that ticking clicking sound i hear whenever i access the drive,, is that normal mechanical drive sound? what is the term for that? is that what is called "seek noise"?
2) if so... on the external green... the tock tock sound is at an irregular interval and the noise level is pretty low. But on the wd red.. it's a little loud and pretty constant, putting it outside the case,, it's not as loud as marbles anymore, but it's constant interval is driving me a little nuts.
3) will i hear the hdd clicking noise whenever the drive is being accessed? does watching videos / reading pdf's constitute read operation? does it supposed to tock tock tock while watching videos?
i think i can live with the noise while writing because normally i'd read more than i'd write. the green drive sound doesn't bother me at all. the head parking sound i heard whenever the drive wakes up from idle doesnt bother me at all either.
4) does the headpark adjustment from 8s to 300s thing have anything to do with seek noise?

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ps: any tests i've tried reported the disk is okay, but i didn't do a lot of test, since i'm new to this,, just some that's suggested by googling...
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they dont give me screws i can buy some though. but i'll change my pc case once h440 is available so it's fine.
it's still far louder than the green. i cant rmmbr whether ive mentioned this or not, but i live next to the train station, so i can tune out a lot of sound. anyway.., the sound goes from "dear god it's loud" (inside) to "yeah okay i can live with this" (cardboard). taking it out and putting it on a cardboard box reduces the sound significantly, i'm going to change the PC case anw though when H440 is available...

what i really want to know about the sound is that, whenever i watch video / copy-pasting / arranging & creating folders... both drives emits a clicking / ticking noise...

1) is that ticking clicking sound i hear whenever i access the drive,, is that normal mechanical drive sound? what is the term for that? is that what is called "seek noise"?
2) if so... on the external green... the tock tock sound is at an irregular interval and the noise level is pretty low. But on the wd red.. it's a little loud and pretty constant, putting it outside the case,, it's not as loud as marbles anymore, but it's constant interval is driving me a little nuts.
3) will i hear the hdd clicking noise whenever the drive is being accessed? does watching videos / reading pdf's constitute read operation? does it supposed to tock tock tock while watching videos?
i think i can live with the noise while writing because normally i'd read more than i'd write. the green drive sound doesn't bother me at all. the head parking sound i heard whenever the drive wakes up from idle doesnt bother me at all either.
4) does the headpark adjustment from 8s to 300s thing have anything to do with seek noise?

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ps: any tests i've tried reported the disk is okay, but i didn't do a lot of test, since i'm new to this,, just some that's suggested by googling...

You may have got a noisy batch.

Or (which I suspect) its the case. My WD Black was unbearable in my old Cooler master which had similar HDD mountings to yours but once I got the 600T, everything went silent. Can you run the HDD on a foam pad at the base of the PC case and see if it makes a difference. You can rule out the case then.
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The clatter you hear when it's accessed comes from the arm with the read/write head being moved around. You hear that whenever it snaps into a new position. That's the "seek" noise.

The whirring is produced by the plates spinning and their motor. There's probably some wind noise when moving air hits things inside the HDD like the arm with the read/write head. The plates never stop, are always spinning, so that's the "idle" noise.

I have no idea about the head park sound. I couldn't even tell what this is supposed to sound like.

Here's a picture:



The WD Red is the most quiet drive I ever had. It should not be louder than the Green you are comparing it to. It should rather be more quiet if anything. I don't know if the WD MyBook casing muffles the noise from the Green a good bit. I'd suggest to contact the shop and ask them for an replacement because you are suspicious of your particular HDD. In my experience, the shops I bought from would do this if you ask like this:

(1) you bought it a month ago
(2) you did not get around to sit at this PC and use it until this week
(3) you really don't believe it's supposed to behave like what you hear from it
(4) you compared it to a quite similar WD Green 5400 RPM drive
(5) you want to send this drive back and get this exact same model again

I'd guess they'd also try to make you happy if you say you are afraid to trust WD again and ask for a replacement from Seagate.

Here is a review of the WD Red 3TB and 1TB that was interested in its noise in particular (I'm linking to the last page):

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1285-page6.html

Its seek noise isn't supposed to be loud at all and it's pretty much the most quiet 3.5" HDD that exists.
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