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Cobian Backup here, combined with Windows Image. Some files uploaded to the cloud via Dropbox with Boxcryptor auto encryption.

Honestly, Cobian Backup is insanely good and legally free.
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...I do like your off-site backup plan as your ass will be safe in the even that the building your PC is in gets hit by tornado, hurricane, fire, nuclear war, alien invasion, etc. But this can be pretty costly to upkeep for just home users...

You missed rabid lemming stampedes. wink.gif Yes, multiple backups can be pretty costly but, then again, how costly is professional data recovery, assuming data on a dead drive is even recoverable (expensive, professional data recovery is a crap shoot at best)? How much value does someone place on personal pictures, documents, etc, compared to the cost of backup media? Unless someone has huge amounts of data, HDDs for backups aren't really all that expensive.
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...Also be careful with off-site storage, a lot of startups offer unlimited storage for a flat rate - and 100% of them within a year will either go out of business or they will suddenly change their pricing model to that of x GB storage for x $ a month. So if you are going to go for off-site storage, stay away from companies that offer "unlimited" backup for a flat rate fee, you'll regret before long, I guarantee that smile.gif

True, cloud backups have their limitations. I never recommend anyone using any free cloud backup solution for anything other than short time backup due to their ephemeral nature; too often, free cloud storage sites disappear with little or no warning (free photo storage sites are notorious for that). The more free storage a site offers, the more likely they will disappear with little or no warning. Also, the freebies rarely offer encryption. Backup sites you pay to use are generally far more reliable. Startups, including ones you pay for are always risky (look at Mega; they got shut down once already, causing people to lose data), but even well established ones you pay for can go belly up or start limiting what you get for your money (look at Mozy, for example). Often, paid sites, such as ones that have unlimited storage (Carbonite), will throttle data transfer after a certain threshold or cap, are slow to begin with (such as CrashPlan), compress uploaded data (which could be a problem for some music and/or video files) and/or limit the type and/or size of files that can be backed up (all of them unless you pay for expensive business plans).

All media is subject to failure. Cloud backups are just another backup media subject to loss, the same as any other media. Cloud backups have their advantages: offsite, instant, versioning, low physical overhead, often easy to use. etc. but, the same as with any other media, should NEVER be the ONLY place one keeps one's backups. Keeping multiple backups in multiple locations is vital. A bare minimal backup scheme should include one local backup that is NOT kept connected to the computer (except when making a backup) and one offsite backup. A reliable cloud backup service with a good reputation that one pays for is an easy and reasonably affordable way for most people to maintain an offsite backup.

All that said, I do use Amazon's free cloud drive to temporarily backup my photos when I'm on a trip but I never depend on it as my only backup. After a day of photo shooting, I remove the card from my cameras and download the photos onto my notebook. I then copy them to an external HDD (2.5" 500GB WD Black in an Arctic enclosure) I keep in my notebook bag, a 32GB card I keep in my purse, and upload them to my Amazon Cloud Drive. I can lose my original copy on the notebook and two of my backups and still have the third backup available. Once I get home and transfer the original files to my desktop and run my normal backups there, I delete the originals on my notebook and on the three backups.
     
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You missed rabid lemming stampedes. wink.gif Yes, multiple backups can be pretty costly but, then again, how costly is professional data recovery, assuming data on a dead drive is even recoverable (expensive, professional data recovery is a crap shoot at best)? How much value does someone place on personal pictures, documents, etc, compared to the cost of backup media? Unless someone has huge amounts of data, HDDs for backups aren't really all that expensive.
True, cloud backups have their limitations. I never recommend anyone using any free cloud backup solution for anything other than short time backup due to their ephemeral nature; too often, free cloud storage sites disappear with little or no warning (free photo storage sites are notorious for that). The more free storage a site offers, the more likely they will disappear with little or no warning. Also, the freebies rarely offer encryption. Backup sites you pay to use are generally far more reliable. Startups, including ones you pay for are always risky (look at Mega; they got shut down once already, causing people to lose data), but even well established ones you pay for can go belly up or start limiting what you get for your money (look at Mozy, for example). Often, paid sites, such as ones that have unlimited storage (Carbonite), will throttle data transfer after a certain threshold or cap, are slow to begin with (such as CrashPlan), compress uploaded data (which could be a problem for some music and/or video files) and/or limit the type and/or size of files that can be backed up (all of them unless you pay for expensive business plans).

All media is subject to failure. Cloud backups are just another backup media subject to loss, the same as any other media. Cloud backups have their advantages: offsite, instant, versioning, low physical overhead, often easy to use. etc. but, the same as with any other media, should NEVER be the ONLY place one keeps one's backups. Keeping multiple backups in multiple locations is vital. A bare minimal backup scheme should include one local backup that is NOT kept connected to the computer (except when making a backup) and one offsite backup. A reliable cloud backup service with a good reputation that one pays for is an easy and reasonably affordable way for most people to maintain an offsite backup.

All that said, I do use Amazon's free cloud drive to temporarily backup my photos when I'm on a trip but I never depend on it as my only backup. After a day of photo shooting, I remove the card from my cameras and download the photos onto my notebook. I then copy them to an external HDD (2.5" 500GB WD Black in an Arctic enclosure) I keep in my notebook bag, a 32GB card I keep in my purse, and upload them to my Amazon Cloud Drive. I can lose my original copy on the notebook and two of my backups and still have the third backup available. Once I get home and transfer the original files to my desktop and run my normal backups there, I delete the originals on my notebook and on the three backups.

Mozy at least gave their customers a year before eliminating their unlimited storage. Last year I was using RapidShare and they suddenly gave all their customers 8 days to delete/transfer all their data away so that it would be less than 500GB, that was not fun...

And yes, with the global hard drive shortage of 2011 being well behind us now the cost for hard drives is really excellent. I personally prefer WD Red for storage of personal media. And you can pick up a SATA disk duplicator on NewEgg for like $30 that you can use to copy your HDDs. For personal reasons I would say its probably easier/cheaper to copy your HDDs and simply leave the backup mirror of your HDDs at a local friend or family member's house rather than pay some expensive data-center to store em. Of course I haven't done any of this myself, but I definitely need to, lol!
post #14 of 16
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Mozy at least gave their customers a year before eliminating their unlimited storage. Last year I was using RapidShare and they suddenly gave all their customers 8 days to delete/transfer all their data away so that it would be less than 500GB, that was not fun...

And yes, with the global hard drive shortage of 2011 being well behind us now the cost for hard drives is really excellent. I personally prefer WD Red for storage of personal media. And you can pick up a SATA disk duplicator on NewEgg for like $30 that you can use to copy your HDDs. For personal reasons I would say its probably easier/cheaper to copy your HDDs and simply leave the backup mirror of your HDDs at a local friend or family member's house rather than pay some expensive data-center to store em. Of course I haven't done any of this myself, but I definitely need to, lol!

I prefer WD Blacks in my computer for 24/7 durability and the five year warranty (the Reds have been getting poor user reviews compared to the other drives in WD's stable); they are also noticeably snappier than 5400rpm drives. Since my backup drives run only an average of ten minutes or less a day, I feel safe using WD Greens for the backup drives, especially since I keep duplicate backups both onsite and offsite.

My computer has a 2.5" and a 3.5" HDD hot swap bay on the front. I find that far more convenient (and faster) than using an external dock.
     
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post #15 of 16
I use WD Black for storing large virtual machines, but Reds are made for NAS use. I've had 4x 4TB Reds in four of my system's eleven hot swap bays now for 6 months without any issue.

For an external dock with usb 3.0 that can duplicate HDDs I have this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0VN-0003-00036 But the truth is that I rarely do actually use it. Also I believe it only works on disks up to 3TB (which was the max HDD size when it was created, and it most likely will be able to handle 4TB as well however I haven't tried yet). But other than that the few times I have used it to duplicate disks its worked pretty well.
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My "docks":



Since they don't have any electronics inside, there should be no limit on the size of the drive they can handle.
     
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